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Offline whelan190

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help pte J kelly 25321 manchesters/ 30167 east yorks
« on: February 16, 2011, 12:22:30 AM »
hi there i am tring to find out about my grate grandad. I am tring to find out when and where he was in the war but all i have is his medal card. I now from this he did not see action till after 1915 as he did not get a star i also now he did not die in the war because he served in ww2 aswell and died sortly after. At some point he was transfered to the east yorkshire regiment. Sorry not alot to go on but  I would apreseate any help anyone can give thank you
paul

pte john kelly (1897/8 -1948)
the manchesters 25321
the east yorkshires 30167
he was born and lived in ancoats manchester
« Last Edit: March 14, 2011, 01:34:41 PM by whelan190 »

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Re: help
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2011, 07:48:37 AM »
HI PAUL, and welcome to the forum, first of all i have had to  remove the medal card  for copyright reasons ,
you have enough info  for a search, and i am sure someone will be around later to help you out,
 in the mean time i will see what i can find. tonyrod

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« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2011, 10:21:54 AM »
hiya paul.
the only john kelly from manchester,who served in the east yorks regt was this man

pte john kelly[service number unknown]
wounded at bullecourt
wounded and taken prisoner in april 1918
discharged from the army as medically unfit
lived at 47 hood st,ancoats

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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2011, 11:34:41 AM »
mack, this his the mic from nat archives,the mic Paul posted was the same man with full number
25321.

Medal card of Kelly, John
Corps   Regiment No   Rank
Manchester Regiment    2532 (incomplete)    Private
East Yorkshire Regiment    30167    Private

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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2011, 12:29:21 PM »
mack, this his the mic from nat archives,the mic Paul posted was the same man with full number
25321.

Medal card of Kelly, John
Corps   Regiment No   Rank
Manchester Regiment    2532 (incomplete)    Private
East Yorkshire Regiment    30167    Private
thanks tony.
a man with a service number in the 25320 to 25329 block would have attested on 4th december 1915 and mobilised may/june 1916

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« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2011, 01:15:38 AM »
hi mack this looks like it could be him
on my john kelly marriage certificate  in 1920 his rank or profession is 30167 privete east york and lived at 15 hood st frances the woman he is getting marryed to lives at 47 hood st. I also found him in The National Roll of the Great War, 1914-1918

"   KELLY,J., Private, East Yorkshire Regiment.
he joined in may 1916 and in the following november proceeded to the westen front.
there he took part in several engagements, including those at Beaumont-Hamel, Bullecount(where he was wounded) and Armentieres, and in the second Somme, when he was again wounded and unfortunately taken prisoner in april 1918. He was held in captivity in Germany, but was repatriated in September 1918, and returnd home and was dicharged in June 1920 as medically unfit for further service. He holds the general service and victory medals.
47,Hood street,Ancoats,Manchster.                                                        z11429         "

Will it tell me in the medal roll book what Bn he was in and at what point he moved form the the manchesters to the east yorkshires also if he was wounded why did he not get the silver badge?

p.s the ref no on his medal card for his two medals is roll 0/1/102 page 942

thank paul
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« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2011, 05:12:36 PM »
hi paul, the silver wound badge, The badge was awarded to all of those military personnel who were discharged as a result of sickness or wounds contracted or received during the war, either at home or overseas., looks like your man was not discharged due to being wounded, tonyrod

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« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2011, 11:22:03 PM »
Ok I see so it's not like the purple hart where you get one every time you had a wound, only if you was discharged because of the wound. Did thay receive anything for being shot in the line of duty or was it just a pat on the back and back too the front for you.
Is there any way of finding out what Battalion or evan better what company he was in and why he was transferred to the east Yorkshire regiment. I can't find his service records so they was prob burnt in the bombing in ww2 but is there anything I can look at to help me thanks for all your help

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« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2011, 11:41:06 PM »
hiya paul.
if they were wounded or injured through enemy action,they were entitled to a wound stripe,that was worn on the left cuff.

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Re: help pte J kelly 25321 / 30167
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2011, 02:21:16 PM »
is there any where online i can look up the medal roll without having to go down to Kew?
and would it tell me what Battalion or Company he was in?

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« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2011, 04:11:23 PM »
there's no where on-line you can look up the medal rolls, we are sometimes able to do it if it is a manchester regiment roll, (which begin 104 IIRC)
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Re: help pte J kelly 25321 / 30167
« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2011, 04:55:16 PM »
I don't think it is the ref no on the medal card is roll 0/1/102 b9 page 942
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Re: help pte J kelly 25321 manchesters/ 30167 east yorks
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2011, 01:36:30 PM »
hi i have some more in from the medal roll he was in the 24th manchester regt then went to the 10th east york's.
so any more help on the 24th manchesters would be grate thank you

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Re: help pte J kelly 25321 manchesters/ 30167 east yorks
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2011, 09:59:13 PM »
Hi Paul
There is a very good book on the 24th Battalion called the Cotton Town Comrades, It is not longer in print
 but if you go to the link below there is a CD of the

Oldham's Battalions 1899-1938
 Cost of £4.25
Three scanned books: Amaterur Soldiers by K. W. Mitchinson, The Oldham Battalion of Comrades by H. Wilde and Cotton Town Comrades by K. W. Mitchinson and I. McInnes. Includes index to Oldham servicemen whose names appear in the Oldham Chronicle 1914-1919.


http://www.bookshop.mlfhs.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=23  

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Re: help pte J kelly 25321 manchesters/ 30167 east yorks
« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2011, 01:38:32 PM »
hi
I have found the service records of the soldier next to John Kelly in the medal roll. His name is Pte Cyril Norman Kelly 25365 30168 he was allso in the in the 24th manchesters and the 10th east yorkshires. As there Regtl number's are so close dose this mean that they would have served together and that there service records would be simaler? I can email a copy of them to anyone who wonts to check them