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Glynnis

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Pte Thomas BUTTERWORTH
« on: October 27, 2007, 07:15:55 PM »
A relative recently sent me my grandfather's Victory and British War medals. I've found his 6 medal index cards at the National Archive and hope someone on this list can help me interpret some of the information. I'd like to know where he served during his 3 years (Nov 1914 - Dec 1917) and the names of battles associated with his medals. Since I live in the US, and can't visit Kew to look up information in the rolls, any guidance or suggestions on how to procede will be greatly appreciated.

Glynnis

PTE Thomas BUTTERWORTH, 277680, Manch R. (his first name was transcribed incorrectly in the NA index as "Thes" rather than Thomas or Thos - I was only able to find him once I had his number from the medals).

One card shows that he earned 3 medals:
Victory & British (LC/101 B 155; page 15772)
1915 Star (* LC/63 C3 B/109/17C)  -- we don't have this medal
Remarks: 22-4-17
Theater of war first served in (3)    -- was this Egypt?
Date of entry therein 5-11-14

Another card gives discharge information:
Date of Discharge 28-12-17
(heading can't read) 19-1-17 ? (partially obscured)
(note can't read - looks like) NV or AV 265/17
Action taken (looks like) List or Lisf? A or H /358/1

Corps, Rank & Regt'l Nos.
Wilts R., Pte, 32283
(looks like) Son? L.I., 24819
Manch R, Pte 1339
Lab Corps, 424163 (card with theater of war and entry date)
Manch R, Pte, 35776
Manch R, Pte, 277680 (card with discharge date)
Manch R, Pte, (can't read all of this number) 10870
Lab Corp, 609223
H.L.I., Pte, 24602
(looks like) Sec Rif?, 42868

Medals, Roll, Page:
Victory & British, C/2/102 B 3, p. 337
Victory & British, LC/101 B 155, p. 15772
15 Star, LC/63 C3, B/109/17C (remarks 22-4-17)
Victory & British, H/1/104 B 21, p. 4303
Victory & British, 14/1/104 B 41, p. 8396
Victory & British, LC/101 B 235, p. 2396 (difficult to read)
Victory & British, D/103 B 15, p. 1772


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Re: Pte Thomas BUTTERWORTH
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2007, 08:52:30 PM »
hi glynnis

and welcome to the group

when you downloaded his card, you also downloaded 5 other cards that weren't his, this is what is confusing you, they were photographed in batches of six

so which one is his?  it might be easier if you post the card or send it to me and i will post it and we'll tell you  what we know  ;D

cheers

chris
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Re: Pte Thomas BUTTERWORTH
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2007, 10:08:15 PM »
this is the only relevant card  (all the rest are for other men, with the same name)



this ( i think) is a SWB card, ie a silver war badge card, these were awarded to men who had been injured or wounded while serving

i read that as enlistment 19-1-16 discharge 28-12-17

cause of discharge is Army order 265/17 i don't know that one, but i think Roy will

thomas's service number puts him in either the 1/7th or 2/7th battalion (my guess is 2nd/7th) he earned the britsh war and the victory medal ( no star, so you have them all) he was also entitled the SWB which looks like this



cheers

chris

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Glynnis

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Re: Pte Thomas BUTTERWORTH
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2007, 04:28:21 AM »
Thanks, Chris.  No wonder I was confused -- it seemed like a lot of different numbers for just one person! He was injured/disabled when he was discharged and died in June 1921. He is buried in Manchester Southern Cemetery (Plot U1112).

My grandmother had said part of the injury was exposure to mustard gas. He received a pension, but I haven't been able to find his record among those on Ancestry. I'll ask my relative to take another look and see if she can locate the SWM.

I look forward to any information folks might have on the discharge order (265/17) or other details that can be gleaned from this card. Now I can read up on the 1/7th and 2/7th batallions! Thanks again, Chris, this is a huge help.

Glynnis

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Re: Pte Thomas BUTTERWORTH
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2007, 07:21:36 AM »
AO/265/17
having served his country and still of military age,and served overseas on active service,is now discharged through disablement or ill health.
mack

Glynnis

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Re: Pte Thomas BUTTERWORTH
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2007, 10:05:05 PM »
Thank you for the information, Mack!
Glynnis

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Re: Pte Thomas BUTTERWORTH
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2007, 11:54:38 AM »
277680 Pte T.Butterworth 2/7th Bn, SWB No 294,327 Age 36. discharge AO 265 1917 (A.O. 2. (a) (i) d/10.8.17.

A.O. = Army Order 265 1917

A.O. 2 (a) (i) d/10.8.17= Army Order 265. II. silver War Badge (a) nil (i)= After service overseas in the armed Forces of the crown, on account of disablement or ill-health caused otherwise then by misconduct.

d=Those who,having served as soldiers and being now over military age, have been discharged otherwise than for misconduct.

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Re: Pte Thomas BUTTERWORTH
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2007, 09:34:00 PM »
Hi there, I checked out the Pension Records and couldn't find any thing.
Maybe they aren't transcribed yet!
regards
tisgrannie