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What were they doing in Neuville-Bourjonval ?
« on: January 18, 2008, 05:10:56 PM »
Hi !

Does anyone have any idea how I can find out what the Regiment was doing around Neuville-Bourjonval between 24.05.17 and 04.06.17 when it would appear they lost 25 men?

CWGC description is a village 14 kilometres east of Bapaume and 4 kilometres south-east of Belincourt. The Cemetery is near the east side of the village and 173 metres from the east side of the by-road to Hermies, but the additional information does not elude to what was going on there in early June 1917 ???

My query arose because of the wonderful work Tis and pals are doing compiling Grave photos here http://www.flickr.com/photos/manchester-regiment/sets/

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Re: What were they doing in Neuville-Bourjonval ?
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2008, 06:06:32 PM »
Thank you that is so nice and believe me its become a labour of love.
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Re: What were they doing in Neuville-Bourjonval ?
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2008, 08:48:06 PM »


The Colonel will be able to tell you better than me ..... but this was on THE site !!  :)

Published in the Reporter 7th July 1917.

BRAVE WATERLOO YOUTH.

The story which attaches to the death of Corporal 350351 JOSEPH WILDE, 1/9th Manchester Regiment, son of Mr. and Mrs. Walter Wilde, of 10, Langham Street, Waterloo, constitutes an illuminating episode of bravery and devotion to duty, even unto death. This young soldier, who would have been 20 years of age on the 17th of this month, was killed on the 2nd June, according to the official news received at the latter end of last week, and yet, though so young, he was spoken about by his officers as one of the bravest and best non commissioned officers.

In Gallipoli and France he brought in wounded men under fire. In France a few days before he himself was killed he brought in a wounded soldier, Private FIELDING, from 300 yards in advance of his own position. The Private died, and Corporal WILDE was buried beside him. Corporal WILDE'S own brother helped to dig his grave, and he was buried next to a Lance-Corporal who went to fetch him in. Such is the story of his death, told more fully and with a high appreciation of his worth in  letters which his parents have received from Captain F.W.KERSHAW and Second Lieutenant ALFRED GRAY. Captain KERSHAW wrote: - "I cannot too highly praise your son. He was a fine lad, and a splendid example of Lancashire pluck and grit. He was much thought of and respected in the Company of his battalion. He did excellent work whilst in the Gallipoli Peninsula, and also whilst in France. Only a few days ago Lieutenant MARSDEN and Private FIELDING were hit out in front of our lines, and your son volunteered to go out and assist in bringing them in. He carried Private FIELDING back to our trenches, a distance of 300 yards, on his back. On two occasions in Gallipoli he also assisted in bringing in wounded under fire. He was a keen, capable, and very courageous non commissioned officer, and is greatly missed by officers and men of his Company on whose behalf I beg to extend to you our deepest sympathy at your terrible loss. Your son was brought in from the advanced trenches by some of his comrades. He was buried with fitting ceremony in a British soldiers cemetery, near to Lieutenant MARSDEN, Private FIELDING, and Private ASHCROFT, who were killed about the same time." Corporal WILDE was the eldest of a family of nine children and had been a member of the Ashton Territorials from the time they left England for Egypt. He had been slightly wounded in the face whilst at Gallipoli, and was evacuated back to Egypt, and from there was sent to France. He was previously employed as a piecer at the Rock Mill, Waterloo, Ashton. (Joseph Wilde is buried in the Neuville-Bourjonval British Cemetery).

 Annie  :)

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Re: What were they doing in Neuville-Bourjonval ?
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2008, 09:02:25 PM »
Cheers my dear, can you PM me the tread?

Best The Coronel and I talk  ;D

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Re: What were they doing in Neuville-Bourjonval ?
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2008, 12:33:56 AM »
if you mean the 9th they were moving up to the trenches at Beaucamp and Trescault, at the end of may they were working on the trenches near femy wood

edit. looked at SDGW, the 9th didn't lose a lot of men then
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Re: What were they doing in Neuville-Bourjonval ?
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2008, 12:50:58 AM »
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The British Cemetery was begun by the 11th Rifle Brigade in April, 1917 and used by the 42nd and other Divisions until March, 1918



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Re: What were they doing in Neuville-Bourjonval ?
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2008, 01:00:56 AM »
the 42nd div history describes it as a quiet time....

if you analyse the casualties by battalion thru SDGW, using the above dates, you may well get a pattern  ;)
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Re: What were they doing in Neuville-Bourjonval ?
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2008, 05:41:37 PM »
Good idea Chris !

I'll add it to my list of things to do  ;D

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Re: What were they doing in Neuville-Bourjonval ?
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2008, 07:07:49 PM »
Does anyone see a pattern?  There are 202 men buried in this small cemetery on the windswept flatland.  Could there have been a medical station there?

200270 Pte Harry Wimpenny 1(2sdgw)/5th 02.06.17 KIA
            
250562 Pte Frank Mitchell             1/6th 31.05.17 DofW
250269 Pte Bernard Cecil Buckley   1/6th 01.06.17 KIA
250293 Pte Claude Stanley Carhart 1/6th   01.06.17 DofW
250755 Pte Percy Courtman           1/6th 02.06.17 KIA
            
Capt   Robert William Gordon Grant 7th(Tr) 24.05.17 KIA
275264 Pte Williams Hodgkins           1/7th 23.05.17 KIA
295119 Pte James Williams               1/7th 01.06.17 KIA Formerlly 171890 RFA
            
301050 Pte George Henry Smith         1/8th 24.05.17 KIA
300075 L/Cpl Thomas Alfred Chambers 1/8th 28.05.17 KIA
303490 Pte Fred Manwaring               1/8th 03.06.17 KIA
301505 Pte William Henry Taylor           1/8th 04.06.17 KIA
            
350298 Pte Herbert Potter      1/9th 29.05.17 KIA
350454 Pte Tom Fielding               1/9th 30.05.17 DofW
Lieut   P S   Marsden   9th   30.05.17
350567 L/Cpl Thomas Ashcroft    1/9th 03.06.17 KIA
350351 Cpl   Joseph Wilde       1/9th 03.06.17 KIA
            
377011 L/Cpl Martin Henry Gales   1/10th   24.05.17 KIA
375836 Pte William Boyd              1/10th  04.06.17 KIA
375367 Pte Thomas McConnell    1/10th  04.06.17 KIA
377166 Pte William Morgan     1/10th 04.06.17 KIA
375162 Sgt Farrar L Standsfield     1/10th 04.06.17 KIA
375107 Sgt Harold Saville       1/10th 04.06.17 KIA
376177 Pte George Shaw           1/10th   04.06.17 KIA

I'll work on this list more, later

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Re: What were they doing in Neuville-Bourjonval ?
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2008, 09:56:18 PM »
I have edited my previous post to include all info from SDGW seems an awful lot of KIA's for a quite period !!!

If anyone can even make a suggestion I would be most grateful

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Re: What were they doing in Neuville-Bourjonval ?
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2008, 10:35:41 PM »
Hi wendi looking at the dates you could be right about the medical station. Is there listings of those anywhere?
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Re: What were they doing in Neuville-Bourjonval ?
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2008, 10:37:18 PM »
i honestly think what you are looking at is the attrition of a division based in the front line, casualties resulting from artillery sniping and raids

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Re: What were they doing in Neuville-Bourjonval ?
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2008, 11:25:59 AM »
Thanks Chris, I'd always wondered, but I think you are right, loosing 7or 8 men in a day was probably a "quite period" with a 1/2 way desent sharp shooter in the area.

Thanks for the maps & the cutting, it made interesting reading !

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Re: What were they doing in Neuville-Bourjonval ?
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2008, 01:55:02 PM »
Hi Wendi & Pals, as regards the number of deaths in action recorded on a certain day - try a search on the SDGW for 9.10.1917 2/9th battalion, they went over the top - Passchendaele.

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