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Pvt. Tom Massey 251491 1st/9th Battalion, Manchester Regiment
« on: January 10, 2008, 03:00:09 AM »
Hi all,

New to the board here.  Looking for any information that can be provided regarding my great uncle who was killed on the Somme on September 2, 1918.  Particularly, specifically where on the Somme the battalion may have been located when he was killed?  Though any tidbits of information that may be known woud be appreciated.  All I know is from what has been passed down by word of mouth, a shell apparently exploded nearby sending shrapnel up under his chin into his brain and killing him within hours. Here is his info from the CWG site:

Name: MASSEY
Initials: T
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Manchester Regiment
Unit Text: 1st/9th Bn.
Age: 22
Date of Death: 02/09/1918
Service No: 251491
Additional information: Son of Thomas and Virtie Massey, of 61, Oxford St., Old Trafford, Manchester.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: IV. H. 10.
Cemetery: EUSTON ROAD CEMETERY, COLINCAMPS

Thanks for any help you can provide...

Chris

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Re: Pvt. Tom Massey 251491 1st/9th Battalion, Manchester Regiment
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2008, 08:59:26 AM »
Hi Chris and a Warm Welcome to The Forum  ;D

The database of "Soldiers who Died in The Great War" (SDGW) shows him as being in 1/6th Battalion so perhaps he transferred or it's an error on one or the others behalf.

Do you have his Medal Index Card? You can obtain it here for £3.50 http://tinyurl.com/2ngbfw sometimes it has more info on it......you can just never tell  ::)

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Re: Pvt. Tom Massey 251491 1st/9th Battalion, Manchester Regiment
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2008, 09:09:10 AM »
hi chris and welcome


as wendi says he's down as the 6th battalion, my first thought was that the 9th were broken up in the re-organisation in 1918, some men going into the 6th but his service number which would have been issued in early 1917 is from the block issued to the 6th battalion

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Re: Pvt. Tom Massey 251491 1st/9th Battalion, Manchester Regiment
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2008, 03:35:22 PM »
The history of The 42nd East Lancashire Division 1914-1918 by Frederick Gibbon contains the Roll of Honour of its constituent battalions.
Private T Massey is amongst the casualties of the 6th Battalion.
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Re: Pvt. Tom Massey 251491 1st/9th Battalion, Manchester Regiment
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2008, 04:20:08 PM »
Tom would have died in the attack ( by the 5th and 6th battalions) on Villiers au Flos, southeast of Riencourt

the attack start at 5.15 am and by noon the town was taken after encountering very stiff german resistance
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Re: Pvt. Tom Massey 251491 1st/9th Battalion, Manchester Regiment
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2008, 10:38:48 PM »
Many thanks to you all for the additional info.  I'm certainly looking forward to visiting the area.  Anybody know where I can obtain a good account of the attack on Villers-au-Flos?  Thanks again!

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Re: Pvt. Tom Massey 251491 1st/9th Battalion, Manchester Regiment
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2008, 02:27:00 AM »
the 9th batt were not in the line in sept,they were at haudecourt doing training programs etc.
its a mistake by the CWGC,hes 1/6th batt

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Re: Pvt. Tom Massey 251491 1st/9th Battalion, Manchester Regiment
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2008, 10:01:44 AM »
i suppose we should think about putting together a package to get the CWGC to change it's records

Mack, do you know what's required?
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Re: Pvt. Tom Massey 251491 1st/9th Battalion, Manchester Regiment
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2008, 12:39:32 PM »
We should check him out in the medal rolls first to see which Battalion he was in. As anyone got his MIC.

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Re: Pvt. Tom Massey 251491 1st/9th Battalion, Manchester Regiment
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2008, 01:33:06 PM »
Many thanks to you all for the additional info.  I'm certainly looking forward to visiting the area.  Anybody know where I can obtain a good account of the attack on Villers-au-Flos?  Thanks again!

there is a good one in the book Robert mentioned and i took the reference from, The 42nd East Lancashire Division 1914-1918  by Frederick Gibbon. this is available on a CD now, i am not 100% certain where but i'd try the manchester and lancashire family history society first

if i get time i shall try and do a summary for you

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Re: Pvt. Tom Massey 251491 1st/9th Battalion, Manchester Regiment
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2008, 03:46:59 PM »
i think we should establish which battalion he was serving with,before we approach the CWGC.
mack

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Re: Pvt. Tom Massey 251491 1st/9th Battalion, Manchester Regiment
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2008, 11:45:35 PM »
Thanks folks!  Your evidence certainly seems to point to him being in the 1/6th Bn doesn't it?  I will be tracking down a copy of Gibbon's book and probably the MIC's shortly.  Thanks again!