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Lowejackson

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Regiment Number same as Service Number?
« on: January 04, 2008, 06:28:47 PM »
I am new to this area but I am trying to track down any information on my great grandfather.  We have his army application (B2505), which has the reference number 16999.  I presume this is the regiment number but is this the same as his service number?  He joined the Manchester Regiment on the 26 th Jan 1915 and we think he died in either 1916 or 1918 but I cannot find anyone with a service number 16999 on CWGC

My great grandfather was called Joseph Brown, DoB 1884/5 and he lived at 32 or 30 Venon St, Ardwick, Manchester.  He joined the Manchester Regiment on 26th Jan 1915.  His wife was Jane Disley (1885 1968), they had one child, Jane Brown (1914 – 1989)

We have no details on his army career so any information would be very helpful as we would like to visit France this year and it would be great if we could find his grave

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Re: Regiment Number same as Service Number?
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2008, 06:49:20 PM »
Hi Lowejackson, and welcome to the group.

Pte. 12/16999 Joseph Brown belonged to the 12th Battalion.

His war documents on Ancestry state that he was discharged 22.12.1915 as being medically unfit. He had served in France, date posted 15.7.1915. However, I noted that by 1919, Joseph had died and that his widow was awarded a small war pension.

If Joseph Brown is not listed on the CWGC website, or in their records, you do have cause to correspond with them. You will need to obtain a copy of Joseph's death certificate to find out for sure his cause of death, which at present it does appear that your Joseph Brown died as a result of an injury/wound sustained whilst serving his Country.

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Re: Regiment Number same as Service Number?
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2008, 07:17:10 PM »
in 1918,these men were living at the addresses mentioned above.
pte 25673 john cox.
1st warwicks regt
30 vernon st,ardwick

sapper 224724 john,william drinkrow.
royal engineers
32 vernon st,ardwick

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Re: Regiment Number same as Service Number?
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2008, 07:27:51 PM »
hello lowejackson!

josephs medal card can be found here

http://www.rootschat.com/links/02h6/

you need to download it and post it here so we can see the details  ;)

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Re: Regiment Number same as Service Number?
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2008, 07:38:48 PM »
Hi Lowejackson,

Free BMD has a possible death listing for your Joseph Brown in Manchester, December Quarter 1918, he was 34 years of age. 8d 369.

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Re: Regiment Number same as Service Number?
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2008, 07:50:26 PM »
1891.       34 Corporation St. Ardwick, Manchester

  Sabina Brown . wid. 47. Laundress     London
  George 22 gas lab.                          New York
  Sabina 20 laundress at home            Liverpool
  Walter 11 scholar                           Longsight
  Joseph 7                                       Ardwick

Lowejackson

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Re: Regiment Number same as Service Number?
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2008, 09:13:55 PM »
Wow, thanks for all the information and kind welcome remarks.

I have downloaded the file but could someone translate what it means.  I have attached broken up the original into 3 copies in Word format as the original was to big

Lowejackson

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« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2008, 09:14:40 PM »
2nd file

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« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2008, 09:15:20 PM »
last file

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Re: Regiment Number same as Service Number?
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2008, 10:56:44 PM »
the medal index cards come in sets of six, but you are only interested in one of them, ie this one



this tells us he was enlisted on 26.1.16 and discharged 22.12.15 ( as you knew) his rank was private, and he  was discharged because under kings regulation 392, paragraph 16 ( xvi) he was " No longer physically fit for service "  ie more exactly 'sick'

he was entitled to the 14-15 Star, the Victory and the british war medal, he was also entitled to the Silver War Badge

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Lowejackson

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Re: Regiment Number same as Service Number?
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2008, 11:19:13 PM »
Once again, thanks

We had always assumed he died on active duty eg fatally shot, so it now looks as if it took him 3 years to die from his wounds

Is there anyway to know which battalion/unit he served with

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Re: Regiment Number same as Service Number?
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2008, 11:28:43 PM »

yes, he served with the 12th battalion, they went to france on the 16th july 1915, they first went into the trenches at a place called Vierstraat, later near St Eloi, where they created a diversionary attack.
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Re: Regiment Number same as Service Number?
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2008, 07:00:56 AM »
hiya LJ.welcome to the forum.
one of our members,capt robert bonner,who is the manchester regts official historian,has edited a book about the 12th manchesters.
its available from the manchester regimental museum.

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Re: Regiment Number same as Service Number?
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2008, 09:02:12 AM »


We had always assumed he died on active duty eg fatally shot, so it now looks as if it took him 3 years to die from his wounds


well, there's nothing to say he died of wounds, he was discharged because he was sick :-\
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Re: Regiment Number same as Service Number?
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2008, 09:11:44 AM »
Hello, A death certificate would show cause of death and solve that query for you!
"Free BMD has a possible death listing for your Joseph Brown in Manchester, December Quarter 1918, he was 34 years of age. 8d 369." added by the Colonel earlier.
You have his wifes name so it could be the person who notified the death, plus the addressyou have which will validate it for you. If its not the right one they won't send it to you if the details don't match, That will save you the £7.
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tisgrannie
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