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Frederick Pattison Bull 21st
« on: November 25, 2009, 09:04:41 PM »
I am interested in finding out information about my father's cousin Frederick Pattison Bull (1896-1918) Service No. 19894 of the 21st Manchesters.In particular I would like to know:
1) When and where he attested and was trained.
2) On his medal card it says he entered the Theatre of War (1) on 10/11/15. I assume this was France (Boulogne with the 21st). Where will he then have been?
3) On 16 April 1917 he wrote a letter from Ward B1 of the 1st Southern General Hospital, Stourbridge Section. Is it known where he and the battalion were fighting when he was wounded?
4) Apparently he gave recruitment talks. Is there any information on this?
5) I know he was awarded the DCM (p. 2734 London Gazette 4 March 1918) and guess that this was for action in France but I don't know where. Is there any way of finding out?
6) The medal card shows the medals Victory H/1/104B page 85, British ditto ditto and 15 Star F? H/1/50B page 11. Please could you explain what these mean?
His nephew owns a display case with a photo of F P Bull and his original grave with a wooden cross in Italy. It includes 3 medals with one medal missing and we are wondering what the missing medal could be. I think the remaining medals are the DCM, the 1914/1915 Star and the British War Medal.
Many thanks in advance.
Rachel

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Re: Frederick Pattison Bull 21st
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2009, 09:48:21 PM »
hi rachel

and welcome to the group

phew!  that's a fair list  ;D but we'll see what we can do

1)  he enlisted at Manchester and it was around the end of November 1914 (this was when the 21st were formed)

2) indeed they landed at Boulougne and then went on to the Somme area in February for training and preparation for the battle of the Somme

3) if he was wounded in April 1917, the 21st were in the general attack on the lines at Ecoust-Longate-Croisilles on the 2nd April, i think this would most likely to be when he was wounded (17 KIA, 54 wounded and 3 missing)

4) no info on this i'm afraid


more later

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Re: Frederick Pattison Bull 21st
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2009, 09:54:59 PM »
Hi Rachel

Welcome to the forum.

A  very good book to get would be The 21st Battalion The Manchester Regiment a history.

Sgt F P Bull is remembered in the roll of honour in the book. It also says for his Distinguished Conduct Medal. Gallantry and devotion to duty.

This is his citation for the DCM.

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Re: Frederick Pattison Bull 21st
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2009, 09:55:19 PM »
5) DCM citation

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Re: Frederick Pattison Bull 21st
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2009, 09:55:44 PM »
arf!!!  beaten to it!!
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Re: Frederick Pattison Bull 21st
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2009, 09:57:25 PM »
Sorry :P  ;D ;D

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Re: Frederick Pattison Bull 21st
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2009, 09:59:56 PM »
have a look at this link for an explanation of the medals

national archives- medals
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Re: Frederick Pattison Bull 21st
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2009, 10:21:20 PM »
Hi Rachel and a Warm Welcome to our Forum  ;D

I have to compliment you on a well thought out and delivered post  ;)
6) The medal card shows the medals Victory H/1/104B page 85, British ditto ditto and 15 Star F? H/1/50B page 11. Please could you explain what these mean?
Rachel

The Medal Index Card records the pages of The Medal Roll on which each issue of each medal is recorded.  The H/1/50B relates to the Volume and Page ?? relates to the page of the book on which the issue of the medal is recorded.

His nephew owns a display case with a photo of F P Bull and his original grave with a wooden cross in Italy. It includes 3 medals with one medal missing and we are wondering what the missing medal could be. I think the remaining medals are the DCM, the 1914/1915 Star and the British War Medal.

It would be fab to see the photo if that was possible, as several of the medals were not issued until the war was over, which I'm sure you now understand having read harribobs link.

Sad that, like my own Uncle, he was brought back to England to recover from wounds, only to go back into the field and be killed  :-\

Wendi  :)
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Re: Frederick Pattison Bull 21st
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2009, 10:40:09 PM »
is it the victory medal thats missing

mack ;D

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Re: Frederick Pattison Bull 21st
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2009, 11:03:37 PM »
yes  you can email it to me

i will send you my email by personal message

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Re: Frederick Pattison Bull 21st
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2009, 11:09:11 PM »
btw in just about everything i can see, he is Frederick Paterson Bull
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Re: Frederick Pattison Bull 21st
« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2009, 11:23:47 PM »
the display case photo

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Re: Frederick Pattison Bull 21st
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2009, 02:07:55 AM »

Hi and welcome !  ;)

How lovely that is Rachel ! ..... You are lucky to have such a treasure !

Annie  :)

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Re: Frederick Pattison Bull 21st
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2009, 09:03:15 AM »
is it the victory medal thats missing

mack ;D

it is missing

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Re: Frederick Pattison Bull 21st
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2009, 11:01:04 PM »
i have Fredericks platoon photo, but it looks like Racel has lost interest
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