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Battle of Broodseinde Ridge, 4-Oct-17: 22nd and 21st Bns
« on: May 04, 2009, 10:26:44 PM »
I've been doing a little research into the 22nd Bn and I thought I'd share what I've found out.

My Great Grandfather served with the 22nd Bn and took part in the Battle of Broodsinde Ridge. This is usually thought of as an ANZAC action; The 1st and 2nd ANZACs were the main thrust towards Broodseinde from Zonnerbecke but the 7th Div (including 21st and 22nd Mancs) were their right flank. On 4th Oct 1917 after moving up from Transport Farm overnight (where the Transport Farm Railway Dugouts Burial Ground is today and where they spent the previous night) they found themselves at their assembly point around the Buttes in Polygon Wood. The 22nd was to attack a tiny hamlet of half a dozen houses on the ridge called Nordenhoek. They were to be supported by the 21st and the first attack which went over the top at 6am included a company from the 21st. More companies were sent up during the day. The attack went ahead under 'every disadvantage of weather and terrain' - it's a steady climb up from the edge of Polygon Wood and when I was there a couple of weeks ago it had recently been ploughed and it was raining. I shudder to think what it must have been like then.

The Mancs carried their objective but the Surreys, on their right, did not so the 22nd came under a great deal of fire from the flanks. It seems they had a rough night of it but held on.

My Great Grandfather, L/Cpl Samuel Jones (service number 3665), was wounded and died the next day in Pop. All told they lost a few officers and 45 other ranks in the attack. Sam is buried at Lissenhoek - there is a photo on this website; thanks whoever took that.


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Re: Battle of Broodseinde Ridge, 4-Oct-17: 22nd and 21st Bns
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2009, 10:08:51 AM »

excellent Nick

thanks for that :)
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Re: Battle of Broodseinde Ridge, 4-Oct-17: 22nd and 21st Bns
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2009, 01:29:18 PM »
Hi Nick,

From the war diaries of the 24th Manchesters they were there too, including my Grandfather Percy Thomas Batt

On the night of the 3/4th Oct they were clearing tracks for both the 20th infantry Brigade and the 91st which included the 21st & 22nds Manchesters.

It was raining and on the 4th they were working on the forward tracks "Under exceptionally severe circumstances" and " working knee deep in Mud", "track passable by mule"  under orders from the 91st infantry brigade they "were not permitted to go out"

3 other ranks killed
8 other ranks wounded


Hope this is of interest
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Re: Battle of Broodseinde Ridge, 4-Oct-17: 22nd and 21st Bns
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2009, 06:08:13 PM »
Nice one Trevor  ;)

This site and the members of this forum never cease to amaze me, wonderful, just wonderful !!!

Wendi  :)
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Re: Battle of Broodseinde Ridge, 4-Oct-17: 22nd and 21st Bns
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2009, 12:37:15 PM »
Thanks Wendi,

Its nice to put something back once in a while ;D

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Re: Battle of Broodseinde Ridge, 4-Oct-17: 22nd and 21st Bns
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2009, 03:10:17 PM »
trevor

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Re: Battle of Broodseinde Ridge, 4-Oct-17: 22nd and 21st Bns
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2009, 10:16:38 AM »
For completeness here is the extract dealing with Broodseinde taken from a document based largely on the battalion war diary. The original, a typwritten account bound into a book, is held at the archives in Ashton.

"On September 1st the battalion was again on the move. Billets in the Steenvoorde area were reached on this date and on the following day the battalion was located near Caestre where the billets were bombed during the night. Le Nieppe was reached on the 3rd and on this date the battalion marched past General Sir Henry Plumer, commanding Second Army. Lt CD Moorhead joined on the 11th The 14th to 18th were passed in camp at Etaples and on the latter date a move was made to Acquin. 2nd Lt H Knight joined on the 25th and 2nd Lt J Ormrod on the following day. On the 28th the battalion was at Wavrans, and next day reached a camp near Mille Kruise.


The battalion was now moving up to take part in another attack on the German line. On October 2nd it was in dug-outs on the railway embankment west of Zillebeke Lake. At 9.30pm on the 3rd the battalion paraded and marched to assembly position in Polygon Wood. 2nd Lt DS Geddes joined on this date. At early dawn upon October 4th, under every possible disadvantage of ground and weather, the attack continuing the Third Battle of Ypres was renewed, the Infantry advancing against the main line of the ridge east of Zonnebeke with a frontage of about seven miles. Morland’s Tenth Corps consisted of the Seventh, Twenty First and Fifth Divisions, in this order and facing respectively Noordhemhoek, Rentel and Pelderhoek. On the left of the Seventh were the First Australians.


With reference to this attack, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle says: “The Seventh Division had stormed their way past a number of strongholds up the incline and had topped the ridge, seizing the hamlet of Noordhemhoek upon the other side of it. This entirely successful advance, which maintained the highest traditions of this great division was carried out by the Devons, Borderers and Gordons of the 20th Brigade on the left and by the South Staffords and West Surreys of the 91st Brigade upon the right. The full objectives were reached, but it was found towards evening that the fierce counter-attacks to the south had contracted the British line in that quarter, so that the right flank of the 91st Brigade was in the air. Instead of falling back, the Brigade threw out a defensive line, but none the less salient was so marked that it was clear that it could not be permanent and that there must be either a retirement or that some future operation would be needed to bring up the division on the right.”


The above passage will serve to explain something of the conditions which prevailed during the day. The 22nd Manchesters, in conjunction with the 1st South Staffords advanced to the attack at 6am. One company of 21st Manchesters were in support as moppers-up. The South Staffords easily carried their objective the Red Line. The Manchesters took to Blue Line, or second objective and gained touch with the 2nd Border Regiment. The right flank was, however, very much exposed, as the 21st Division had failed to carry their objective. Numerous prisoners were sent down during the day. At 10.25am one company of the 21st Manchesters was sent up to reinforce, and at 3.15pm a further company, as the front line was distinctly weak. At dusk, the enemy was reported to be massing for a counter-attack, but this attempt failed to materialise owing to the effectiveness of the British artillery fire. Yet the conditions were precarious and suspense was in the air. And, during the night, rations and water were brought up with great difficulty. Meanwhile, officers in the front line reorganised their resources and consolidated in depth. There was heavy shelling at dawn on the 5th but otherwise the day passed without event. On the 6th The Butte, Jolting Trench and Jettz Trench were heavily shelled and a good deal of MG fire and sniping was experienced from Judge Copse. But the long ordeal came to an end when at 3am on the 7th, the 9th Devons relieved. The battalion proceeded to bivouacs west of Zillebeke, and later to camp at Dickebusch. The weather was very wet.


In these operations the battalion had the following casualties: Capt B Conway, killed in action October 4th, Lt E Ross wounded October4th, died of wounds October 7th: Capt W White, Lts CD Moorhead and JL Gloster, 2nd Lts T Chalmers, RG Hibbs and H Williams (missing). Of other ranks there were 45 killed, 206 wounded and 28 missing."


I visited the battlefield last month and from the Buttes (now part of the cemetery), where the Manchesters were dug in, a minor road leads up from near the NE corner of Polygon Wood towards the N303. The 91st Brigade attack was to the right of this minor road. The ground slopes up for mabye 300-400 metres, then falls into a shallow dip (a metre or two), and then rises again to the ridge where Noordhemhoek is (this tiny hamlet of half a dozen houses is not even named on modern maps). Incidentally, the Railway Embankments Dugouts are also known as Transport Farm and there is a CWGC Burial Ground there now; this was where a lot of troops detrained as it was the closest the railway could get to the front. Here they were given soup and somewhere to kip. To commemorate this the rebuilt transport farm apparently has a carving of a ladle in the wall.

One thing that is very apparent is that when you stand on the ridge (there is a memorial to the 7th Division with the 21st and 22nd Manchesters recorded on it just south of Broodseinde on the N303) how important the ridge was; from the ridge the ground falls away and dominates the ground to the East - "through mud and blood to the green fields beyond"

Nick


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Re: Battle of Broodseinde Ridge, 4-Oct-17: 22nd and 21st Bns
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2009, 12:20:52 PM »
Well done Nick,

Fascinating read.


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Re: Battle of Broodseinde Ridge, 4-Oct-17: 22nd and 21st Bns
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2009, 10:57:03 PM »
Thanks Trevor

I'd not visited a WW1 battlefield before and I was surprised by how easy it was to track movements down using battalion diaries and also how many men were crammed into such narrow frontages; the whole of the 91st Brigade had a frontage of no more than a few hundred yards. Fasciating that the 24th and your GG were there too; it amazes me how small the war seems as everybody seems to have been concentrated in certain sectors for certain periods so the same Bn's paths would cross time and time again.

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« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2009, 10:18:48 PM »
As a postscript to this thread this is a list of men of the 22nd Bn who died on 4th or 5th October 1917. Buttes was the 22nd's jumping off line, Railway Dugouts was where the railway delivered troops for the front line and was where the Bn had spent the previous night and was also a casualty clearing station and Lijssenthoek was a British Army field hospital.

Remembered with pride:

Casualties of the 22nd Bn. MANCHESTER REGIMENT

4th - 5th October 1917

BUTTES NEW BRITISH CEMETERY, POLYGON WOOD, Zonnebeke, West-Vlaanderen, Belgium
 
McKENZIE, Lance Corporal, G H, 49201, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Grave Ref. XVII. C. 1.

POOLE, Private, R J, 245384, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Age 30. Son of Robert Poole, of 144, Woolfe St., Northumberland St., Toxteth Park, Liverpool. Grave Ref. XXVII. C. 2.

RIMMER, Private, W, 52937, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Grave Ref. XXVII. C. 9.

TAYLOR, Private, GEORGE WILLIAM, 51617, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. Killed in action 4 October 1917. Age 19. Son of Samuel and Elizabeth Taylor, of Brookfield, Arnold, Notts. Grave Ref. XI. C. 15.


DUHALLOW A.D.S. CEMETERY, Ieper, West-Vlaanderen, Belgium
 
BYE, Private, W J, 40694, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Grave Ref. VII. A. 25.


HOOGE CRATER CEMETERY, Ieper, West-Vlaanderen, Belgium
 
BAILEY, Private, J, 20076, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Grave Ref. IX. B. 10.

BURR, Lance Corporal, GEORGE ROBERT, 42004, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Age 27. Son of John and Celie Burr; husband of Elizabeth Ann Collings (formerly Burr), of 172, Solihull Rd., Sparkhill, Birmingham. Grave Ref. I. B. 6.


LIJSSENTHOEK MILITARY CEMETERY, Poperinge, West-Vlaanderen, Belgium
 
BROCKBANK, Private, THOMAS, 20342, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 5 October 1917. Grave Ref. XX. F. 6.

GARNETT, Private, ORLANDO CYRIL, 51575, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. Died of wounds 4 October 1917. Age 19. Son of John William and Ellen Garnett, of Burnt Mill, Cautley, Sedbergh, Yorks. Grave Ref. XX. F. 15A.

JONES, Lance Corporal, SAMUEL, 3665, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. Died of wounds 5 October 1917. Age 36. Son of the late John and Mary Jones, of Wallasey; husband of Emily Mercer (formerly Jones), of 6, Cecil Rd., Wallasey. Grave Ref. XX. G. 16.


NEW IRISH FARM CEMETERY, Ieper, West-Vlaanderen, Belgium
 
WHITWORTH, Lance Corporal, G A, 25954, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Age 34. Grave Ref. XXXII. D. 11.


RAILWAY DUGOUTS BURIAL GROUND, Ieper, West-Vlaanderen, Belgium
 
FISHER, Private, EDWARD, 245398, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Age 33. Son of William and Catherine Fisher; husband of Elizabeth Fisher, of 28, Arundel St., Walton, Liverpool. Grave Ref. IV. H. 21.


THE HUTS CEMETERY, Ieper, West-Vlaanderen, Belgium
 
KILLEEN, Serjeant, J, 20706, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Grave Ref. IX. A. 17.


TYNE COT CEMETERY, Zonnebeke, West-Vlaanderen, Belgium
 
TUPLING, Private, ALBERT, 51616, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Age 19. Son of Sarah Carter (formerly Tupling), of 41, Manchester Square, Newholland, Hull, and the late Joseph Tupling. Grave Ref. XLVII. C. 15.


TYNE COT MEMORIAL, Zonnebeke, West-Vlaanderen, Belgium
 
BAKER, Private, DAVID, 40738, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

BALM, Private, WILLIAM, 2617, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

BEAUMONT, Private, ROBERT GEORGE, 42033, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Age 29. Son of Robert and Jane Beaumont, of Sunny Side, Bergh Apton, Norwich; husband of Ellen Beaumont, of 2, Kimberley Street, Norwich. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

BLANCHARD, Private, ARTHUR, 51558, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Age 19. Son of Edwin and Jane Annie Blanchard, of Little Driffield, Driffield, Yorks. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

BREARS, Private, JOHN WILLIAM, 203484, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

CARRINGTON, Serjeant, STANLEY FRANCIS, 25531, M M, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. Killed in action 4 October 1917. Age 23. Son of Arthur William and Sarah Ann Carrington, of 11, Shrewsbury St., Old Trafford, Manchester. Educated at St. Mary's Middle School, Hulme, Manchester. Employee of Manchester Ship Canal Coy. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

CAWLEY, Private, FRED, 245417, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Age 19. Son of Robert and Sarah Ann Cawley, of 6, Cedar St., Hulme, Manchester. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

CONWAY, Captain, BRIAN WISEMAN, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Age 23. Son of Basil Wiseman Conway and Jane Conway, of Overton House, Longsight, Manchester. Enlisted 7th Sept.1914. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

CORNALL, Corporal, SAMUEL WALTER, 20282, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

CREIGHTON, Private, PERCY, 8465, "B" Coy. 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Age 23. Son of Peter and Mary Elizabeth Creighton, of 83, Fenney St., Higher Broughton, Manchester. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

CRITCHLOW, Serjeant, WILLIAM HENRY, 20619, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Age 25. Son of William Thomas and Lillian Critchlow. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

CROMWELL, Private, WILLIAM, 36293, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

CROPPER, Private, FRED, 245416, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

CROPPER, Private, JAMES, 42020, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Age 28. Son of Mrs. Catherine Chadwick, of 26, Rhodes St., Miles Platting, Manchester. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

CROWTHER, Private, WILLIAM, 12935, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Age 21. Son of James T. and Sarah Alice Crowther, of 202, Gorton Rd., Reddish, Stockport. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

CURREN, Serjeant, HARRY, 10765, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

FOWLES, Private, EDWARD, 50159, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Age 20. Son of Susannah Fowles, of 150, Darlington St. East, Wigan, and the late Edward Fowles. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

GEE, Lance Corporal, ROBERT, 20785, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

GELLING, Private, WILLIAM, 202359, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Age 28. Son of the late Capt. W. Gelling (Master Mariner), and Frances Gelling, husband of Mrs. E. Gelling. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

GOBEY, Private, THOMAS, 44263, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Age 28. Son of Mrs. E. Gobey, of 1, Parchment St., Chichester. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

GRIFFITHS, Private, MORGAN, 51551, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Age 33. Only son of David and Mary Griffiths, of 10, Gelliwastad Rd., Pontypridd, Glam. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

HACKNEY, Private, WILLIAM, 203506, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Age 30. Husband of Bertha Hackney, of 320, Fairfield Rd., Droylsden, Manchester. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

HANSON, Private, HUGH PERCY, 20994, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Age 20. Son of Ernest Thomas and Edith Grace Hanson, of 48, Beresford St., Moss Side, Manchester. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

HIGGINBOTTOM, Private, SAMUEL, 23274, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

HOLDER, Private, FREDERICK, 44267, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.


HULME, Private, WILLIAM JAMES, 245376, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Age 21. Son of the late Charles Edward and Rose Hulme; husband of Florence Hulme, of 60, Buckingham St., Seedly, Salford, Manchester. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

KELLY, Private, ARTHUR, 34647, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Son of Arthur and Maria Kelly, of 24, William St., Ancoats, Manchester. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

KENNEDY, Serjeant, FRANCIS GEORGE, 16619, M M, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

LAYBOURNE, Private, THOMAS PIGDON, 51596, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

LEONARD, Lance Corporal, ERNEST, 44396, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Age 21. Brother of Mr. E. N. Leonard, of 155, Major Rd., Stratford, London. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

LEWIS, Private, WILLIAM, 202193, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Age 35. Son of William and Annie Lewis, of Manchester; husband of Mrs. Annie Lewis, of 81, Charlene St., Hightown, Manchester. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

LINDSAY, Private, WILLIAM, 245411, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Age 37. Husband of Margaret Fazackerley (formerly Lindsay), of 91, Kilshaw St., West Derby Rd Liverpool. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

MADDISON, Private, ANTHONY, 51598, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Age 18. Son of Henry and Alice Maddison, of go, Peareth St., Gateshead. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

MARVIN, Private, HAROLD, 51597, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Age 19. Son of John and Mary Ann Marvin, of 4, Laburnum Houses, Station Rd., Ratby, Leicester. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

MASSEY, Lance Corporal, JAMES, 21272, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

MAUDE, Private, FREDERICK, 245366, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Age 19. Son of E. A. Barnes (formerly Maude), of 202, Trafford Rd., Patricroft, Manchester, and the late George W. Maude. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

McCAIRN, Private, JAMES SCOTT, 21346, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

McGIBBON, Private, HARRY, 25961, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Age 23. Son of John McGibbon, of 2, Aitken St., Levenshulme, Manchester, and Mary E. McGibbon (stepmother). Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

MICHAELSON, Lance Corporal, HYMAN, 47938, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Age 23. Son of Marks and Betsy Michaelson, of 7, Mount Pleasant, Cheetham, Manchester. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

MILLS, Private, FRED, 20449, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. attd. 7th Div. Signal Coy. Royal Engineers 4 October 1917. Age 26. Son of Dan and Rachel Mills, of 2, Kenyon St., Radcliffe, Manchester. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

MILNES, Private, CHARLES EDWARD, 34951, M M, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Age 21. Son of James Henry and Jane Milnes, of 11, Belleek St., Hulme, Manchester. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

NEILSON, Private, FRANK HENRY, 202171, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

POTTER, Lance Corporal, JOSEPH EDWARD, 20715, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

RAY, Private, CHARLES, 49186, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Age 19. Son of Joseph and Leah Jane Ray, of 4, Bute Avenue, Blackpool. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

REYNOLDS, Lance Corporal, JAMES, 49250, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

RICHARDS, Private, JOHN THOMAS, 49207, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Age 28. Son of Hannah and the late Thomas Richards; husband of Clara Hughes (formerly Richards), of 36, Wood Lane, West Bromwich. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

RIGBY, Lance Corporal, JAMES, 13579, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Age 23. Son of Thomas Rigby, of 484, Leigh Rd., Daisy Hill, Westhoughton, Bolton, and the late Margaret Rigby. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

RODERICK, Private, VICTOR, 51606, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

ROWBOTTOM, Private, TOM PRESCOTT, 245403, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

STEVENS, Private, WILLIAM JOHN, 52948, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

STOTT, Private, BENJAMIN, 35783, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Age 20. Son of John and Mary Elizabeth Stott, of 76, Ripponden Rd., Oldham. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

STRETTON, Private, SAMUEL, 245372, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Age 28. Son of Joseph and Esther Stretton, of 57, Lynton St., Salford, Manchester. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

SWINDELLS, Private, JAMES, 52950, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

TAGGART, Private, THOMAS, 47479, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

TAYLOR, Lance Corporal, JOSEPH LEE, 25498, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Age 24. Son of Joseph and Hannah Taylor, of 232, Liverpool Rd., Cadishead, Manchester. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

THORNLEY, Private, HAROLD, 23504, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Age 36. Son of the late Thomas and Phoebe Thornley; husband of the late Margaret Thornley. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

WALKER, Private, FRED, 36361, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

WEETMAN, Private, BERTRAM WILLIAM, 51621, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Age 19. Son of William and Elizabeth Ann Weetman, of 68, Parade, Hendon, Sunderland. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

WILLIAMS, Private, HAROLD, 49097, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.

WILLIAMS, Private, JAMES, 21397, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Age 34. Son of James and Mary Williams, of Culmington, Salop; husband of Ethel Williams, of 9, Grove Lane, Didsbury, Manchester. Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A.


GODEWAERSVELDE BRITISH CEMETERY, Nord, France
 
MARTIN, Lance Corporal, H, 44337, 22nd Bn., Manchester Regiment. 4 October 1917. Brother of Mrs. L. V. J. Walker, of 6, Strawberry Bank, Aberdeen. Grave Ref. I. J. 45.


Many thanks to Mary at the Commonwealth War Graves Commission for collating this for me; it was much appreciated and allows me to remember all those who fell with Samuel Jones at Broodseinde.

Wishing you all peace,

Nick

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« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2009, 11:34:16 PM »
Remembered with pride:

Thank you Mary from the CWGC

and

Thank you Nick for taking the time, and having the interest.

May they all Rest in their God's Peace.

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« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2009, 09:10:19 AM »
The following men listed above are from Irlam and Cadishead (extracts from our book):

Joseph Lee Taylor
Lance Corporal Joseph Taylor (Service no. 25498) served with the 22nd Battalion, (7th City) Manchester Regiment, 91st Infantry Brigade, 7th (Regular) Division. He was serving with ‘B’ Company, 7th Platoon at the time of his death. Joseph was born in Cadishead and lived with his parents, Joseph and Hannah Taylor, at 232 Liverpool Road, Cadishead. He had enlisted in early 1916. Before the war he was employed by his mother in her carrying business. His father was a signalman and formerly a member of the Irlam Urban District Council. He was well known and respected in the area. He enlisted at Manchester in 1916. He was killed in action during the battle of Broodseinde (third battle of Ypres) on the Thursday 4th October 1917, aged 24. He is commemorated on the Tyne Cot Memorial to the missing. He was awarded the ‘pair’. The day after his parents learnt of Joseph’s death, they received notification that their other son, Corporal David Taylor of the Manchester Regiment, had been seriously wounded. Joseph’s memorial card is attached The outside of the card states that Joseph was killed whilst attacking a German pill box.


William Cromwell
 Private William Cromwell (Service no.   36293) served with the 22nd (7th City) Battalion, Manchester Regiment, 91st Infantry Brigade, 7th (Regular) Division. He was born in Stockport and lived with his family at 28 Whitfield Street, Cadishead. Before the war, William was employed as a slag breaker by Messrs. Stiff and Co. Ltd. in Irlam. He enlisted in Manchester in 1915, aged 27. William’s four brothers served in the Army; Lance Corporal Edward Cromwell (Trench Mortar Battery), Privates George and Oliver Cromwell of the Manchester Regiment and Gunner Fred Cromwell of the Royal Field Artillery and Royal Garrison Artillery. William was killed in action during the battle of Broodseinde (3rd Battle of Ypres) on Thursday the 4th October 1917. He was 32 years old. He is commemorated on the Tyne Cot Memorial.  William served in the same Battalion as Joseph Lee Taylor and was killed in action on the same day. He was awarded the ’pair’.
Remembering

Pte Sidney Lee (36719), 2nd Battalion, Worcestershire Regt - dow 18.02.17
Sgt Charles Roberts (13668), 11th Bn, Manchester Regiment - kia 18.05.18
Bombardier John Hesford (70065), 147th Heavy Battery, RGA dow - 04.09.18
Pte Sidney Lee (4131324), 8th Bn, Cheshire Regiment -  kia 12.03.41

Offline lock17west

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Re: Battle of Broodseinde Ridge, 4-Oct-17: 22nd and 21st Bns
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2012, 08:50:35 AM »
Futher to the post by Nick in Barnsley on 14th May 2009:
2nd Lt Hamphrey Knight 22nd Manchester Regiment - rose from being a Sgt in the 20th Battalion Manchester Regiement - where he had service number 17954 - and was commissioned on 1st Aug 1917 into the 22nd Battalion Manchester Regiment.  He had been born circa 1887, was from Didsbury, enlisted 16th November 1914. He had First Served in Theatre in France on 9th Nov 1915. He was awarded the 1915 Star, the British War Medal, and the Victory Medal. He survived the war.

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Re: Battle of Broodseinde Ridge, 4-Oct-17: 22nd and 21st Bns
« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2012, 03:19:39 PM »
    hi nick
         was at buttes new british cemtery myself
         last week looking at the manchesters graves
         and walked all over polygon wood
         i was on the trail of the pals
         which a couple of days early had started at maricourt
                            steve

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Re: Battle of Broodseinde Ridge, 4-Oct-17: 22nd and 21st Bns
« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2012, 10:39:17 PM »
Lots of MANCHESTER  lads listed here and lots of others from all over the place who are now MANCHESTER lads.