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Harry Wardle 25662 22(S) Bn Manchester
« on: September 05, 2008, 03:27:22 PM »
Hi

I looking for information on my Grandfather - postings, group photos, etc.  Can anyone help?

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Phil W

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Re: Harry Wardle 25662 22(S) Bn Manchester
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2008, 04:11:16 PM »
Hi Phil

and welcome to the group

i am sure we can find some information for you about harry

i will move this over to the great war section where it will get better attention

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Re: Harry Wardle 25662 22(S) Bn Manchester
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2008, 06:01:55 PM »
Hi Phil, and a Warm Welcome to our Forum !

I'll post his MIC, which you may already have, but it helps us to see it.  Do you have any other info regarding him (family snippets etc)

Did he survive the war?

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Re: Harry Wardle 25662 22(S) Bn Manchester
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2008, 12:57:54 PM »
Wendi

Hope this gets to you - a bit unsure how to use the system yet.  Thanks for your reply.

My grandad survived the war and lived until ~1968.  He never really spoke about what happened, other than telling me about having dead colleages next to him in the Somme tenches.  I wish I had asked more, but was young and it wasn't as important to me then, as it is now.

I would like to find out whether he was involved in the Ypres battles - I'm going there next weekend.  He mentioned he went, but when I look at the battalion history, it says they finished up in Italy.

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Phil

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Re: Harry Wardle 25662 22(S) Bn Manchester
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2008, 05:17:41 PM »
No worries Phil, I saw your reply, thank you !

Where did you get your info regarding the 22nd?

There were earlier battles in Ypres     
First Battle of Ypres (October 19 – November 22, 1914)
Second Battle of Ypres (April 22 – May 15, 1915)
Third Battle of Ypres (July 31 – November 6, 1917) (also known as Passchendaele)
Fourth Battle of Ypres (September 28 – October 2, 1918) (also known as the Battle of Ypres 1918)

But Battalion history is not my department  :-X  So It'll be up to one of the chaps to reply  ;D

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Re: Harry Wardle 25662 22(S) Bn Manchester
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2008, 06:07:22 PM »
Wendi

Thanks again.

Please could you tell me what MIC stands for?

Being the eldest son of his eldest son, I have inherited his "The Small Book" in a tatty wallet, also containing a picture of his mother.  That's where I got the information about his batallion.  Do you know if it's possible to find out which, if any, of the battles of Ypres is was involved in?

I also have an envelope with three medals:

Copper star with crossed swords and his name and number engraved on the back
A silver coin like medal with a horse on one side and George 4th on the other
A gold coin like medal with The Great War on one side and a winged human figure on the other.

There is also an Austrian medal with "Der Tapferkeit" on one side and Franz Joseph on the other.  It has a red and white ribbon - how he got this, one can only guess.

Something else that comes to mind, probably only relevant to the family, is that he called is eldest daughter Terris Godville Wardle - strange to everyone.  He said that it was because the people were he spend some time were very kind and so was the red cross.  We've searched for a place called Godville withourt success, but it might be a corruption of a French word.

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Phil

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Re: Harry Wardle 25662 22(S) Bn Manchester
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2008, 06:10:16 PM »
hi phil!

the 22nd battalion

On the 11th November 1915 they landed at Boulogne and on the 20th December 1915. they became part of the 91st Brigade 7th Division. The 22nd had their first experience of the trenches training with the Royal Irish Fusiliers.
In February 1916 they arrived at the Somme, opposite the German held fortified village of Mametz, east of Fricourt. On the 2nd June A company carried out a trench raid on a German listening post. After weeks of rehearsal, sixty men attacked after a substantial bombardment. The attack was a success but not without cost as the problem of uncut wire, which was to be a major factor in the oncoming Battle of the Somme, caused many casualties.
On the 1st July, the battle of the Somme commenced, the 22nd, as part of 7th Division, would be attacking Fricourt in a pincer movement. The 21st were to remain in reserve until Fricourt was ready to be assaulted, while the 91st brigade was to attack Bunny Alley and Fritz trench. The 22nd achieved their first objective of Bucket Trench and moved on the Danzig Alley but were driven back as german soldiers emerged unscathed from their underground bunkers. Re-enforced by the elements of the South Staffords, the 22nd took Danzig Trench. The brigade pushed forward and Mametz was taken. The battalion paid a terrible price, of the 796 men that started the day, they suffered 472 casualties. The battalion was relieved on the 5th July.

the 22nd rec'd 434 replacements but only 100 or so manchester lads, they were fighting again with in days

In November 1917 they moved to Italy where it remained in with the 7th Division.
On the 11th November 1918 as part of the 91st Brigade, 7th Division the battalion finished in the war in Italy, West of Udine.

i am not 100% certain but i think the 22nd never fought around Ypres, but thta's not to say that your GF didn't go there

i'm sure you'll enjoy your Belgium visit, it's a very emotional place

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Re: Harry Wardle 25662 22(S) Bn Manchester
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2008, 06:13:44 PM »
sounds a little like a battlefield souvenier

http://www.omsa.org/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=709
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Re: Harry Wardle 25662 22(S) Bn Manchester
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2008, 06:35:23 PM »
harry was an early volunteer into the 22nd, unfortunately he missed the pals photos.

the medals you have are the 14/15 Star, the victory medal (the gold coloured one) and the british war medal, they should all be named on the rim and the star on the back, they were known affectionately as pip squeak and wilfred :), these are listed on his medal index card (MIC)
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Re: Harry Wardle 25662 22(S) Bn Manchester
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2008, 06:36:07 PM »
Chris (harribobs)

Thanks - that's the medal, the bronze one.  Do you think it was taken from someone he fought against?

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Phil

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Re: Harry Wardle 25662 22(S) Bn Manchester
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2008, 06:50:10 PM »
yes, i suspect he picked that up in italy
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Re: Harry Wardle 25662 22(S) Bn Manchester
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2008, 07:06:09 PM »
Don't forget the Italians were our Allies in WWI.  And very good soldiers too.  Ignore the anti Italian propaganda of WWII.
Robert

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Re: Harry Wardle 25662 22(S) Bn Manchester
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2008, 07:20:32 PM »
Thanks Robert

It's 45 years since I did history at school, thanks for reminding me.

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Phil

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Re: Harry Wardle 25662 22(S) Bn Manchester
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2008, 10:41:10 PM »
indeed, if you go to the cenotaph in manchester, there's a stone memorial that reads ( something like) 'in memory of our Italian allies'
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Re: Harry Wardle 25662 22(S) Bn Manchester
« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2008, 10:37:51 AM »

I would like to find out whether he was involved in the Ypres battles

They weren't involved in the main battles at Ypres, but the 22nd did go there (for about a month, I think) in Sept/Oct 1916. They were in the southern Salient (well, to be more accurate, they were actually just below the actual salient) in the vicinity of Ploegsteert Wood  which was, at that time, regarded as a "rest" sector (unless you were a tunneler!!!!).

Dave