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19th Bttn officers in 1918
« on: July 31, 2021, 07:50:04 AM »
I've noted CWGC records show some 19th Bttn officers died in 1918, after they had been posted to other Battalions.
19th War Diary says most were "posted" to 16th & 17th Bttns & 17th WD says they were "transferred from" 19th Bttn.  It doesn't appear to be attachments.
As an example, Capt Keefe MC was A/CO of 17th Bttn when he was killed on 27/03/1918 & it appears 17th Bttn would be more appropriate Bttn on CWGC records.
Do you all think I should let things lie as they are, or seek corrections??
Here's the cases:-
https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/579781/FRANK%20CARTWRIGHT/
https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/1631894/SCOTT%20FINDLAY/
https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/1583659/RAYMOND%20CONRAD%20MURRAY%20KEEFE/
https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/193273/FREDERICK%20PERCY%20LEYBOURN/
https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/378453/WILLIAM%20FREDERICK%20SLOANE%20HOLT/
https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/263804/J%20H%20BIRLEY/



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Re: 19th Bttn officers in 1918
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2021, 09:12:25 AM »
Tim,
It‘s quite possible that their Commissions were still held in the 19th Bn, in which case their commemoration is correct.
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Re: 19th Bttn officers in 1918
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2021, 12:33:03 PM »
Good point Charlie, although CWGC should show the attachments if they hadn't actually transferred. I'll have a look at the Army Lists, but don't hold out much hope of finding them.
Has anyone looked at the service files for any of this group - or any other 19th Bttn officers who were posted to 16th or 17th Bttns in Feb 1918?
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Re: 19th Bttn officers in 1918
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2021, 12:54:53 PM »
The May 1918 Army List has all the officers posted as 19th Bttn. See https://digital.nls.uk/british-military-lists/archive/106295715
Do you think I should seek to add the attachments to reflect their service when they died?
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Re: 19th Bttn officers in 1918
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2021, 02:11:11 PM »
Hi Tim
By all means move the thread.
As officers were moved about it has always been a problem to say where they belonged and has led at times to some friction between regiments as to which Bn/Regt a gallantry award was won by.

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Re: 19th Bttn officers in 1918
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2021, 03:25:06 PM »
i always thought that officers from a disbanded battalion belonged to the battalion that they were posted to ???

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Re: 19th Bttn officers in 1918
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2021, 05:26:24 PM »
Correct but only insofar as that is with which battalion they are serving with, but their Commission could still held in the battalion that has been disbanded.

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Re: 19th Bttn officers in 1918
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2021, 09:14:59 PM »
thanks charlie
thats something new ive learned

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Re: 19th Bttn officers in 1918
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2021, 08:35:18 AM »
CWGC can let us know whether they think the commemorations should remain as 19th Bn.
I've submitted cases for Keefe & Cartwright as 17th and Findlay as 16th - although I'm pretty certain he was actually attached to 2/Yorks on the day he died.
Leybourn died in Nov 1918 attd to Cheshires.  He had transferred to 17th Bn but this was disbanded by the date of death.  I may leave this one??
2/Lt Holt died at home and had not transferred to 16th or 17th Bn.
Capt Birley was not transfered to 16th or 17th Bns and died serving with 12th Bn. I've not found evidence of whether this was attd or transferred.
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Re: 19th Bttn officers in 1918
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Re: 19th Bttn officers in 1918
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2021, 11:14:54 AM »
Thanks Neil,
I had this very informative link of Capt Keefe.  They obvisouly accessed the service file.
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Re: 19th Bttn officers in 1918
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2021, 12:36:31 AM »
hiya tim
theres also 2/Lt gerald,alec moss,att to 2nd battalion,killed 10th august 1918

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Re: 19th Bttn officers in 1918
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2021, 04:17:35 PM »
CWGC are now showing Keefe & Cartwright as 17th and Findlay as 16th Bn.  The amendment form is pretty simple the response took about 5 weeks.
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