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AKeech

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2/LT Edward Southcomb - KIA 31/07/1917 - Help needed!
« on: March 23, 2009, 02:20:30 AM »
Hi,
I'm trying to help with some further research into the circumstances surrounding the death of 2/LT Edward Hamilton Southcomb, killed 31st July 1917 and commemorated on the Menin Gate. I have already bought a copy of Michael Stedman's book on the Manchester Pals, but needed to try to pin down the information a little more, if possible.
We believe that Southcomb was originally commission into 3rd Bn, which I believe was a Reserve battalion, stationed either at Cleethorpes or on the Humber estuary, but then transferred to 24th Bn, which we know was the pioneer battalion for 7th Division. We suspect that he may have gone out to France in March 1917, was wounded in June, but was killed on the opening day of Third Ypres.
The 7th Division was not involved in the Salient on 31st July,but obviously 30th Division was and there is also a suggestion that Southcomb may have gone on a further attachment to the 17th Bn in time for the attack. There is a suggestion that 24th Bn was active in the Sanctuary Wood area as well, elsewhere on themanahcesters.org, but  guess this may be referring to a later period when 7th Div came into the line during October.
There are stories that Southcomb may have been killed by a sniper and that some of his possessions were returned to the family, so wondered whether there might be any mention of his death in the War Diary for 17th Bn on that day? I wonder too, whether there might be any further record of Southcomb relating to his brief months with the 24th Bn in France, particularly perhaps to any mention made of him being wounded in June, perhaps down Bullecourt?
Sorry if this is a long shot, as I suspect that he may have been a pretty ordinary soldier, but the information is really for a group of kids doing a project at my daughter's school,trying to find out as much as possible.
I look forward to hearing from anybody who might possibly be able to help.   
       

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Re: 2/LT Edward Southcomb - KIA 31/07/1917 - Help needed!
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2009, 01:01:24 PM »
Hi and a Warm Welcome to our Forum ! 
the information is really for a group of kids doing a project at my daughter's school
  Lucky kids to have parents who are so willing to get involved  ;D

I was wondering if you had seen or history of 17th on the main site ?  The dates you are interested in are covered here

http://www.themanchesters.org/Arras%20and%20Ypres.htm

and I'm sure the chaps will come up with details of the Diaries for those dates for you shortly !

Wendi  :)
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Re: 2/LT Edward Southcomb - KIA 31/07/1917 - Help needed!
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2009, 06:52:42 PM »
Hi akeech-welcome to the forum. There is an excellent book about the 24th Battalion called Cotton town comrades by K W Mitchinson and I McInnes. Your man is mentioned in it as follows.

Southcomb, Edward Hamilton. C of E. Single. Bank Clerk. 16, James Road, Tunbridge Wells, Kent. Next of kin-Mrs Southcomb-Mother-Same address.Gazetted 2nd Lt 22/11/1916 and posted to the 3rd Manchester's. Served with the 11th Gloucestershire Regiment for 7 Months. To France 2/3/1917. Posted to the 17th Manchester's 1st May 1917.
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Re: 2/LT Edward Southcomb - KIA 31/07/1917 - Help needed!
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2009, 07:09:24 PM »
The War diary for the 17th Battalion does indeed show 2/Lt Southcomb joining the 17th Battalion on the 1st May 1917. Sadly, the next time he is mentioned is as a casualty "Killed in action" on the 31st July. (See attachment, Click picture for bigger !)
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Re: 2/LT Edward Southcomb - KIA 31/07/1917 - Help needed!
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2009, 07:20:20 PM »
2/Lt Southcomb's name on the Menin Gate ;

http://www.flickr.com/photos/manchester-regiment/1419868972/

Click to follow link.
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Re: 2/LT Edward Southcomb - KIA 31/07/1917 - Help needed!
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2009, 07:28:04 PM »
Finally, 2/Lt Soutcombs ODGW entry.
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Re: 2/LT Edward Southcomb - KIA 31/07/1917 - Help needed!
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2009, 08:20:06 PM »
Hi AKeech

Welcome to the forum.

Here is the entry on the CWGC site.

Name: SOUTHCOMB
Initials: E H
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Second Lieutenant
Regiment/Service: Manchester Regiment
Unit Text: 3rd Bn. attd. 24th Bn.
Date of Death: 31/07/1917
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 53 and 55.

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Re: 2/LT Edward Southcomb - KIA 31/07/1917 - Help needed!
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2009, 08:41:00 PM »
His MIC, not a lot on it  ???

On the National Archives he is the only Southcomb.

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Re: 2/LT Edward Southcomb - KIA 31/07/1917 - Help needed!
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2009, 11:30:20 PM »
His service papers are possibly held by the NA - ref: WO339/61625

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Re: 2/LT Edward Southcomb - KIA 31/07/1917 - Help needed!
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2020, 01:16:23 PM »
2/Lt edward hamilton southcomb
born 20-6-1895
14 pittville parade,cheltenham
bank clerk,national provincial bank
at the age of 9,he went to west buckland school,and in 1909 was one of the first to join the OTC at the school,later on,his parents took him out of the school and enrolled him at shrewsbury school,in 1912 aged 17,he left and joined the bank,in 1916 he joined the 11th gloucester regt,in november 1916 he was granted a commission in the manchester regt,firstly in the 3rd batt and then the 24th batt,he was later posted to the 17th manchesters in B.coy,in the early morning of 31st july 1917 he was shot dead by a sniper.

in his will,he left ten guineas to west buckland school for a trophy to be awarded to a pupil from any of the schools houses for achievement in sport,this trophy is awarded every year

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Re: 2/LT Edward Southcomb - KIA 31/07/1917 - Help needed!
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2020, 02:42:50 PM »
The War Diary confirms 2/Lt was serving with 17th Bttn when he was killed, yet CWGC indicates att 24th.   Should I seek to change to att 17th?
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