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Re: William Graham from Stockport
« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2008, 09:45:24 AM »
my 2d ;)

and that "d" actually stands for pennyworth  :P :P :P

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Re: William Graham from Stockport
« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2008, 11:56:29 AM »
my 2d ;)

and that "d" actually stands for pennyworth  :P :P :P

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Re: William Graham from Stockport
« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2008, 12:36:57 PM »
If we do the whole Lloyd Grossman thing and lets look at the evidence
The three men in the Photo according to the script on the back are in a Military Hospital
When William speaks of Cpl Hurst could it be that the legend S.W B relate to his condition and not his regiment.

Also where can the pension or discharge papers be found  ?

I looked on Ancestry .co.uk and found the medal Card but nothing else

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Re: William Graham from Stockport
« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2008, 01:56:21 PM »
Hi Steve

The S.W.B. could just as easily stand for Silver War Badge ??? mack would know better if he would have already been issued with it.

Hornby is wearing a wedding ring, and I'm sure there must be records somewhere of the Professional Rugby players of the time.

Ancestry are currently in the process of loading what are left of the burnt documents, sadly 60-70% of the records of the soldiers from WW1 were destroyed by German bombing in 1940, those that remain are held at Kew.

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Re: William Graham from Stockport
« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2008, 04:01:27 PM »
Hi

Thanks Wendi

I have to a certain extent researched the Rugby element. The Wigan Rugby league Club as we know today has a good site showing teams back to the late 1800's.  :) However, there is another Wigan Rugby club who have not done as well in the last 100 years and i think they may have been the team in question. :( I intend to email both clubs.

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Re: William Graham from Stockport
« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2008, 04:29:10 PM »
Hi Steve

The S.W.B. could just as easily stand for Silver War Badge ??? mack would know better if he would have already been issued with it.

Hornby is wearing a wedding ring, and I'm sure there must be records somewhere of the Professional Rugby players of the time.

Ancestry are currently in the process of loading what are left of the burnt documents, sadly 60-70% of the records of the soldiers from WW1 were destroyed by German bombing in 1940, those that remain are held at Kew.

Wendi  :)
i would go along with your theory about the south wales borderers wendi,he wouldnt have been issued with a SWB,because hes still in hospital,he would have to go through a medical when he returns home,if hes found unfit,then they would issue the badge.

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Re: William Graham from Stockport
« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2008, 04:36:46 PM »
the postcard says that cpl hurst,is a cumberland athlete,rugby footballer+cross country runner.
and hornby is the wigan rugby player

BTW,the illness that hes suffering from[hurst],is phthisis,its one of the nasty side affects of the liver,caused by malaria.

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Re: William Graham from Stockport
« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2008, 05:23:13 PM »
six men called hurst,served in the SWBs
14002 arthur,j hurst,he was released from detention,in france,in 1918,we can rule him out
34203 richard hinshan hurst,was commissioned in 1917,not him
14516 joseph hurst,he was discharged in 1917,not him
18554 james hurst,he was in the 2nd batt,they were at gallipoli,and went to france in 1916.

the only two batts of the SWB who served at salonika,were the 7th and 8th batts.
but the date that these 3 men ended up in malta,dont tally with the arrival of these battalions at salonika
the 7th,arrived on 9-9-18
the 8th on 12-11-18
william,hornby+hurst,were in hospital on malta,in june 1918.

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Re: William Graham from Stockport
« Reply #23 on: July 10, 2008, 07:07:48 PM »
Phthisis (Greek for consumption) is Tuberculosis (TB) and not Malaria - I am glad you're not my doctor Mack ;D

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Re: William Graham from Stockport
« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2008, 07:30:12 PM »
& we are glad you are a doctor of something Linda  ;D 

Cripes can't imagine TB Malaria and Dysentry

cough, shiver, sweat and .........  it really is a wonder he survived!

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Re: William Graham from Stockport
« Reply #25 on: July 11, 2008, 12:02:01 AM »
HI,
    can we go back & look at the evidence again!
1) a dated letter from William Graham in Malta 13/06/1918
2) photo of three soldiers in hospital blues
3) they were all on the Braemar (ss Braemar hospital ship with a history of its own linked to the Titanic)
4) Cpl Hurst (SWB) has 3 ailment
5) the other chap is a rugby player for Wigan & has a ring on his wedding finger
6) William Graham's record ties up
7) they are in beds next to each other In Malta (Intarfer)
8 ) When looking on TNA there are seven Hurst's !
    Now it does not say that any of the others served at Salonika, they could be from anywere in the area.Cpl hurst TB could have caught anywhere, dysentry the same,but malaria thats different.He may haved lived abroard befor the war?
                                      As Stevep said "Lets look at the evidence"
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Re: William Graham from Stockport
« Reply #26 on: July 11, 2008, 12:24:58 AM »
john

what we look at is the information that is available to us, we also bounce ideas of each other as to where we will find out more from other sources

that's the way this forum works, and doesn't do so bad  ;)

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Re: William Graham from Stockport
« Reply #27 on: July 11, 2008, 08:25:42 AM »
14002 arthur,j hurst,he was released from detention,in france,in 1918,we can rule him out
34203 richard hinshan hurst,was commissioned in 1917,not him
14516 joseph hurst,he was discharged in 1917,not him
18554 james hurst,he was in the 2nd batt,they were at gallipoli,and went to france in 1916.

& the others:

22716 Pte. John W Hurst later 2nd Lt. Liverpool Regiment died 06.08.16

39013 Pte. John Hurst

29581 Pte. Frank Hurst (South Wales Borderers Depot)

14002 Arthur J Hurst Company Quarter Master Serjeant

My money is on the latter because of his age  ;)

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Re: William Graham from Stockport
« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2008, 08:57:22 AM »
Wendi
Incredible
Is the information you have found from an open source such as the Internet ?

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Re: William Graham from Stockport
« Reply #29 on: July 11, 2008, 10:17:40 AM »
Yes Steve, it is.

From The National Archives and The Commonwealth War Graves Commission Website.

Wendi  :)
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