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1914 - 1918 / Re: 9th Battalion men who signed for the Machnie Gun Corps
« Last post by charlie on Today at 09:21:16 AM »
Hello Graham,
Thanks for the confirmation of his details. As his number is correct it can only mean that his age in the SWB roll is incorrect. Considering the numbers involved mistakes will have been made. Here is a link to the MGC database

Looking at his list of sources he is using the same ones that have been used here.

1914 - 1918 / Hello! Please help! Soldier info query Stephen Peel
« Last post by matt on Today at 08:55:54 AM »
Apologies if this post is in the wrong location please feel free to move to the correct one.
I am looking for information on Pte Stephen Peel 1/6 manchester regiment no. 251859. Killed in the 3rd battle of Ypres 6/9/17 and no known grave. I recently came across a photograph from the Manchester Evening News which reported his death and showed a picture which was a great suprise as no relatives had ever seen a picture if him.
I am going to Belgium on the anniversary of his death to see his name at tyne cot but I would like to get as much information as possible about where he was when he died (both back then and now so I can visit) and where I might be able to find more pictures of him as the one I have is only a newspaper reprint.
I have done some research but I'm really hoping to find out his story as he was a great uncle and there are none left in the family above my generation. I recently found his family plot in southern cemetery in Manchester and he is lovingly commemorated on the family stone first as 'our Steve' I guess in Hope that one day his body would be found. The grave remained empty until fifteen years later when his family began to occupy the plot.
Given it will be 100 years to his death I would really appreciate any help which I can use to record his story when I get over there, however time is short,  but I will continue research when I return.
Thanks very much in advance
Hi Charlie

I'm researching on behalf of an old couple (His daughter and her husband) who recent found some of Joseph's things, Joseph Dolan is listed on the discharges of the Ashton Pals website and has the same number they gave me 3078 so its safe to assume that he was in the Manchesters on discharge.

I'll certainly check with the MGC, have you got a link save looking it up.


PS, By the way the old couple spoke to me when I gave a talk on Passchendaele last week, recounting the Manchesters "Road to Passchendaele" and the 2nd/9th's massacre, I'm in contact with them and will do the research for them.

Really grateful for your help.
Hello / 2nd Lt. Edward Fox Dyke Acland
« Last post by eleri on August 16, 2017, 11:24:05 PM »
Hi. I am new to this forum so I hope I am correct in messaging like this.   

I am the Granddaughter of Edward Fox Dyke Acland discussed a couple of years ago by Charlie and Philip G. in the 14th page of the "Transfers of Manchester Regiment Officers to RFC/RAF" conversation.

 He was a Balloon Officer in the 16th balloon coy during WW1. I have searched but have been unable to find any more about the Balloon officers and wondered if anyone had any more information. Indeed it would be great to know anything about grandpa's military/Air force career, as although he did not pass away until I was 18 he never spoke about the war or his experiences - unsurprisingly I guess. I have a few bits of his from his military career (a camp bed and a blue ensign for instance!) I know he was in the Air Force during the second world war but believe he was not a pilot - unlike his brother Wilfred Reginald Dyke Acland.  I'm not sure why he had an ensign except that his father was a very senior Naval officer.

Any information would be gratefully received  :)

Attached is a photo of him I would guess during WW2.

Many thanks
1914 - 1918 / Re: 2nd Manchesters at Manchester Hill
« Last post by PhilipG on August 16, 2017, 01:12:16 PM »
I have re-read the thread and realised that the battlefield, as once known in years gone by has almost disappeared.  As regards the 2nd Manchesters' attack of the 2nd April 1917, the "Start Line" hitherto has been obvious.  It was, of course, the railway line connecting "The Halte" at Maison Rouge (Mcr. Hill) and crossing over the fields, sometimes on embankments, to a siding at "Poste-gaz".   "Poste-gaz" is still visible at its location on the D681 (to Holnon) today.  The line and its embankments appear to have gone.

However, following the "Chemin de Fayet", the field in Fayet village in which the battalion rested on the 14th April known as "Squash Valley" is still untouched.   Similarly, the "Start Line" in Fayet on the D57  (Centre Commercial), which was the prelude to the uphill charge to capture the trenches on the D732 (St.Q. to Gricourt road), still exists.  Thus, as far as the 2nd Manchesters' exploits in 1917 are concerned, something remains.

Turning to Manchester Hill and the 16th battalion.   Disappointedly, the "sights" are diminishing.   The quarry was long since filled in.  Indeed, that area became a "Moto-cross". That facility has now gone and its area appears to have been covered with trees.  The former D683 has been grassed over and "The Halte" and its sidings gone.

I feel that those who are able to visit the area may be a little disappointed if a commemoration is to be inaugurated there in 2018 - in contrast to 1996 when the memorial to the two battalions was erected outside the church in Francilly-Selency.

On that note, I wonder what commemorations, if any, are envisaged for 2018 in respect of these two battalions' operations in the area ?    But if I were not prevented by advancing years I would still go any way!   PhilipG.

1914 - 1918 / Re: 9th Battalion men who signed for the Machnie Gun Corps
« Last post by charlie on August 15, 2017, 06:57:12 PM »
There is only 1 other Joseph Dolan in the Manchesters, he was KiA in 1914. Are you sure that he served in the Manchester Regt, have you any proof? or are you assuming that he did because of where he was born/lived?

There are over 20 Joseph Dolans who served overseas in the war, two of these also served with the MGC, one in the Scottish Rifles and the other in the Northumberland Fusilers.

Hello / MOVED: 9th Battalion men who signed for the Machnie Gun Corps
« Last post by charlie on August 15, 2017, 06:39:14 PM »
1914 - 1918 / Re: 9th Battalion men who signed for the Machnie Gun Corps
« Last post by PhilipG on August 15, 2017, 04:57:55 PM »

Have you considered contacting "The Machine Gun Corps (MGC) Research Database" which apparently has extensive details of men who served with the MGC?  It may be that those operating the site are presently on holiday.    PhilipG.
1919 - 1938 / Re: William Frederick Trotter Smith
« Last post by Geoff Southern on August 15, 2017, 04:15:36 PM »
Hi Sphinx and Charlie,
thank you for your answers.
I have contacted Tameside Local Studies library again and am awaiting their response.
I will also see what else I can find out about WFT Smith's Navy service during the First
World War,
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