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16th Battalion 1st City / Re: 16th Battalion D Company Platoon 13
« Last post by sphinx on June 26, 2017, 10:16:24 PM »
No, the actual date is not known, but c. April 1915 at Heaton Park,  Manchester, when each platoon, buglers, plus Officers and NCO's had group photos taken for the Manchester City Battalions Book of Honour.

1914 - 1918 / Re: 20th Manchesters at Fricourt : 1.7.1916
« Last post by charlie on June 26, 2017, 09:44:19 PM »

Very kind of you to go to this trouble and much appreciated.  Take care.  PhilipG.

No trouble at all.

Do you perhaps have referrences to the English names of the following German positions please?

Lehmgrubenhöhe - it translates to something like Clay pit hill if that is any use.
Bécourt Mulde - on the Lehmgrubenhöhe, possibly a hollow or reentrant.
Schwabenhöhe - south of La Boisselle, a mine was detonated there.

Otherwise all is going to plan.


1914 - 1918 / Re: Cerisy-Gailly British Mil.Cem. & 16th Manchesters.
« Last post by Tim Bell on June 26, 2017, 08:16:17 PM »
Great Photo Paul,
As Mack says in post above, there was a "Sharp artillery burst" at 11pm in Y3 sub-sector.  A "Lucky hit knocked illeg post held by Lewis Gun Section." 4 killed and 6 men wounded.
The Grid Reference must refer to Sheet 57C NW1  "A23" The /B sub-square would refer to the area of the German line and I'm not sure about the handwriting of the Bttn CO.  It may say A23/B or possibly A23/3.  Perhaps /3 relates to the number of the sap?? or maybe the sub-grid square to the bottom left??
Y3 sub-sector extended south from the Peronne Road, opposite Y-Wood.  The plan gives the line of the British front in blue at that stage.  Sadly it's not possible to walk down there on your next trip.  I've had a snoop around Y-Wood though, although this is probably private.

Here's a link to a photo of Eric Gresty's initial cemetery, next to the Maricourt Crossroads, where there is now a large farm shed. IWM Q78627.  A large group of Manchesters were buried there.  It was originally a French plot.
Welcome to the forum
ps Platoon Roll and Photo here He was transferred to A Coy later.
16th Battalion 1st City / Re: 16th Battalion D Company Platoon 13
« Last post by Robert_D on June 26, 2017, 07:27:27 PM »
Do we know the date of this photograph please?
1914 - 1918 / Re: Cerisy-Gailly British Mil.Cem. & 16th Manchesters.
« Last post by Paul14 on June 26, 2017, 01:20:33 PM »
I am the Great Nephew of 7449 Private Eric Gresty , who died along with 6263 Lance Corporal CHARLES STANLEY JOHNSTON 16th Bn.
27144 Private MOTTERSHEAD 16th Bn.
6418 Lance Corporal PICKERING 16th Bn.
I attach a photograph of CERISY-GAILLY MILITARY CEMETERY where these men are buried, and where I have visited several times. They fell on the 5th May 1916. If anyone has any information about these men, I would be most interested.
Paul Whiting
1914 - 1918 / Re: 54164 Pte Horace Brown
« Last post by Tim Bell on June 26, 2017, 12:48:04 PM »
Looks like excellent work.  I note the Soldiers Effects records show the two men had the same War Gratuity of £5 10-, indicating they both enlisted a the same time, and SDGW shows they both initially served in Northants Regiment 205091 & 205098.  Different places of residence & birth and recipients of Effects though.
Well spotted.
1914 - 1918 / 54164 Pte Horace Brown
« Last post by faubourg on June 26, 2017, 11:43:36 AM »
Researching local war memorials and came across 54164 Pte Horace Brown, 20th Manchesters. Looks like the Army and CWGC lost him probably due to possible duplication with 54163 Pte George Horace Brown, same battalion, same date of death.

54163 Brown is buried in Beaurevoir but at present the location of 54164 Brown is unknown, he is not on the CWGC database.
Through "In from the Cold" the process is started to have him accepted on the National Book of Remembrance.
However he is more than likely due to end up on a memorial on the Somme, unless any one here has come across him. On this forum it seems his medals were on ebay in 2010
1914 - 1918 / Re: Infantry Base Depots in France
« Last post by charlie on June 26, 2017, 07:55:52 AM »
As the Portuguese EF was trained and equiped by the British, it would seen reasonable to assume that they were initially trained using the existing facilities. Concrete evidence as to where, seems hard to come by.
I found the following on

As in the Peninsular War the Portuguese army forces that fought in France were trained, equipped and armed by the British. However, the PEF chain of command was entirely Portuguese although subject to British supervision during the military training and when it arrived at the sector. Once installed on the front, it came under the orders of the I British Army.
War in the trenches and its inherent novelties required a huge effort, first to train a team of selected instructors and then the entire contingent. As the military units arrived in France they were sent to mustering areas at the rear of the British sector, where they attended British schools such as the Central Training School, the Firing Range, the School of Observers, the Snipers School and the Physical Education and Bayonet School. Following this initial training in the British schools the PEF created its own schools in its own mustering area where the units received instruction and training. In the meantime, following a British suggestion that was accepted by Portugal, the PEF underwent various reorganisations aimed at raising its level to that of its allied counterparts and even increased one level (army corps) which meant mobilising more battalions.

1914 - 1918 / Re: Infantry Base Depots in France
« Last post by timberman on June 25, 2017, 09:14:41 PM »
Portuguese Expeditionary Corps (Corpo Expedicionário Português or CEP)

The CEP was shipped to France in early 1917, where the first groups received training in trench warfare and were equipped with British small arms. The first units began to deploy in May, and a sector of the frontline was fully held by the CEP by November; by the end of October, just under 60,000 troops had been sent to France.

From the 6 November 1917, CEP took charge of the whole "Portuguese Sector" of the Western Front, with a total 18 km frontage. In accordance with the Ally practice, the Sector included three lines of defense. The 1st Line of Defense included the Front Line (A-Line), the Support Line (B-Line) and the Reserve Line (C-Line). The 2nd Line included the Village Line (brigade headquarters line) and the Corps Line. Finally, the Army Line formed the 3rd Line of Defense.

The Portuguese Sector was divided in four brigade sectors. Each brigade had two battalions in the front (each defending a sub-sector of the brigade sector), one battalion in support and another in reserve. Each of the CEP's two divisions controlled two brigade sectors, having a third brigade in reserve

1914 - 1918 / Re: Infantry Base Depots in France
« Last post by PhilipG on June 25, 2017, 07:28:52 PM »
Clearly marked on the map of Etaples Base Camp is the following road - Infantry Road.   Leading off from Infantry Road is a road marked Portuguese Road.  I have never considered that the camp might take in for training etc soldiers of the Portuguese Army, but upon reflection this could be the case?    PhilipG.
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