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1939 - 1945 / Re: Battledress & saluting
« Last post by rafboy on September 17, 2019, 11:16:43 PM »
Charlie

I don't know how many times I have looked at this photo and never noticed the buttons .
I have enlarged the photo and cropped out the bottom of the trouser leg, you can just make out that there are "flaps" coming from the back of the leg which must be to enable the bottom of the trouser leg to be tightened (Photo attached). I suspect this was done before putting Gaiters on, I can remember my father wearing Gaiters, he had chains with lead weights on that kept the trouser down over the top of the Gaiter.

This does ramble on a bit and I think he has the sizes the wrong way round but it shows the type of Gaiter my father had, his were blancoed:
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PwOMQRNBm8

Cliff
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1939 - 1945 / Re: Battledress & saluting
« Last post by PhilipG on September 17, 2019, 05:25:10 PM »
rafboy,

Cliff, looking at the photographs once more, I see that most in the group are wearing "utility" type battledress i.e. the pocket buttons are not covered by "flaps".   I think it was a design to save cloth.   It must have caused the loss of many blouse buttons when crawling.       In the wedding photograph, your father is wearing the "non-utility" type battledress uniform.   In that connection, what was the purpose of the button, just above shoe level on his right leg?    Lastly, I recall, probably in 1946/7 a neighbour's son on leave wearing a Canadian Army battle dress, a uniform of some smartness and cut, presumably transferred to British forces as the Canadians had returned home.   The trouble was that it was a slightly different shade of khaki from the British Army clothing.   Such was the state of the country at that time that it would not seem to matter.   PhilipG.
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1939 - 1945 / Re: Battledress & saluting
« Last post by charlie on September 17, 2019, 05:02:51 PM »
Cliff,
Very strange that your mother wasn‘t awarded the War Medal or did it get lost? As far I am aware service with the ATS made the person eligible for the award.

Charlie
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1939 - 1945 / Re: Battledress & saluting
« Last post by rafboy on September 17, 2019, 03:09:57 PM »
Thanks Roy

Phil was a Pioneer Cpl with the 1st Bn hence the crossed axes above his tapes.

I have not been able to identify positively what the crown my mother is wearing is for, I assume it is connected to the job she was doing in London.
I am surprised she has no medal ribbons up, I have her Defence Medal, no idea why she was not awarded the War Medal.

This is my mothers Service Record:

W/50694 Pte Stella Marguerite CALDWELL - Auxiliary Territorial Service
Enlisted into Auxiliary Territorial Service at Lancaster and posted   
to Western Command Manchester   14. 2.41
Posted to A Company Group 42   25. 3.41
Posted to 10/11th Cheshire Platoon 4th Anti-Aircraft Group, Preston   26. 3.41
Posted to lst East Lancashire Regiment 4th A Group   24. 5.41
Passed Trade Test as a Clerk Class II   28. 2.42
Mustered as a Clerk Class I at Manchester   7. 3.42
Appointed Acting Lance Corporal   31. 3.42
Posted to 44 Anti-Aircraft Brigade   24.10.42
Discharged for Family Reasons (No other details recorded)   25.12.42
Enrolled into Auxiliary Territorial Service at Manchester   25. 2.47
Posted to A Company London District   10. 3.47
Classified as a Clerk Group C   30. 4.47
Change of name by marriage to Phillips, married at the Register Office   
City of Westminster   24. 5.47
Posted to Company North West District   21. 8.47
Posted to No 1 London District   1. 9.47
Discharged on Compassionate Grounds (No other details received)   6. 2.48
Service with the Colours: 14.2.41 - 25.12.42 and 25.2.47 - 6.2.48   
Medals issued etc: For this information if required apply to: Army Medal Office, Worcester Road, Droitwich Worcestershire WR9 8AU.
Address on Enrolment in 1941 and 1947: 391, Stockport Road, Timperley Altrincham.
Cliff
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1939 - 1945 / Re: Battledress & saluting
« Last post by rafboy on September 17, 2019, 02:59:37 PM »
Tim,
 
I have donated his medals to the Regimental museum, they are:

 General Service Medal with clasps “PALESTINE and MALAYA”

1939-45 Star

Pacific Star

Defence Medal

War Medal 1939-45

Long Service and Good Conduct Medal

Cliff

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1939 - 1945 / Re: Battledress & saluting
« Last post by Tim Bell on September 17, 2019, 02:29:11 PM »
Cliff,

I hadn't spotted that wonderful photo.  They should've been on a poster!

Very impressed with your Dad's collection of medal ribbons.  What are they all?

Cheers

Tim
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1939 - 1945 / Re: Battledress & saluting
« Last post by themonsstar on September 17, 2019, 11:01:26 AM »
Cliff
Fantastic photographs of your Mum and Dad with lots of badges everywhere you look.

Roy
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1914 - 1918 / Re: 2nd Lt. Taylor : 2nd Manchesters
« Last post by PhilipG on September 14, 2019, 11:20:55 AM »
Division had asked Lt. Col. J.N.Marshall, incidentally formerly the 2 i/c of the 2nd Manchesters, to make an assessment of the chances of a successful crossing of the canal by the Manchesters & Lancs. Fusiliers.   The colonel's assessment was totally unfavourable, but his opinion was overruled and in the words of Volume V of the Official History, the crossing by the Manchester and the 16th Lancs. Fusiliers "was unsuccessful".   The History has a footnote recording the award of Victoria Crosses to the following :

Captain AHC Waters and Sapper A.Archibald of 218 Field Coy. RE, Lt.Col. JN Marshall (Irish Gds.) - posthumously -  C.O.of the 16th Lancs. Fus. and lastly 2nd Lt J.Kirk of the 2nd Manchesters.   (Not mentioned is 2nd Lt. FA Robins, of the 1st Dorsets who was the first to cross the "Dorsetshire Bridge" -  a name given to the floating bridge by the Official History to the bridge constructed by the 206th Field Coy. RE.)     PhilipG.
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1914 - 1918 / Re: 2nd manchesters war diary
« Last post by charlie on September 13, 2019, 07:37:45 PM »
Charlie ime very sorry I didn't see your reply,ive found them,many thanks

mack

No worries :)
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1914 - 1918 / Re: 2nd manchesters war diary
« Last post by mack on September 13, 2019, 07:16:31 PM »
Charlie ime very sorry I didn't see your reply,ive found them,many thanks

mack
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