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1914 - 1918 / Re: for philip
« Last post by PhilipG on Today at 06:54:19 AM »
Mack,   

Thank you. PhilipG.
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Announcements and Condolence / Re: Colonel Afhur Axford, 9th Bn
« Last post by artyhughes on March 24, 2019, 08:25:19 PM »
I remember with great effection Col A Axford,he was my commanding officer when I served as a PSI with the 9th Battalion,my deepest sympathy and condolences to the family of Colonel Axford,a true gentleman and officer.
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1914 - 1918 / for philip
« Last post by mack on March 24, 2019, 04:44:32 PM »
hiya Philip
2523 William carroll 2 Jordan place,knott mill Manchester
william died of acute colitis on 16th december 1916 in the military hospital high st,manchester,the CWGC says he died on 16th december 1915,i know ime correct about the date of death,but the CWGC always question these things,but this time they cant,their own grave reports give the date of death as 16th december 1916

mack
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Announcements and Condolence / Colonel Afhur Axford, 9th Bn
« Last post by Robert Bonner on March 24, 2019, 12:58:51 PM »
Colonel Arthur Axford (1921/2019) died 15 March 2019.
Arthur enlisted in the army in 1939 and was commissioned in the Manchester Regiment in 1942. His father had served in the 9th Manchesters in WWI and had been wounded  Initially Arthur served with the 7th Battalion in NW Europe where he was wounded in 1945.   Past-WWII he served with the Royal Ulster Rifles in the Korean War 1950/1952..

He joined the 9th Battalion in 1952 and commanded the battalion between 1960  1964.
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1914 - 1918 / Re: 2nd Battalion Officers.
« Last post by timberman on March 22, 2019, 04:26:41 PM »
Captain Arthur George Tillard 2nd Battalion Manchester Regiment.

 (continued from last post)

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Timberman
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1914 - 1918 / Re: 2nd Battalion Officers.
« Last post by timberman on March 22, 2019, 04:22:46 PM »
Captain Arthur George Tillard 2nd Battalion Manchester Regiment.

Name   Arthur George TILLARD   

Rank/Number   Captain   
Regiment   Manchester Regiment   3rd Bn attd A Coy 2nd Bn
Enlisted   
Age/Date of death   39      20 Oct 1914
How died/Theatre of war   Killed in action   France & Flanders
Last known address   
Cemetery   Le Touret Memorial, Pas de Calais, France
Grave or Memorial Reference   Panels 34 & 35
Location of memorial   Denham St Mary

Date/Place of birth   Dec qtr 1874      Ore, Hastings, Sussex
Date/Place of baptism   
Pre-war occupation of Casualty   army officer
Parents   Rev James & late Jane Tillard
Parent's occupation   Clerk in Holy Orders
Parents' Address (last known)   Clerk in Holy Orders
Wife   Emily Katherine Tillard nee Close-Brooks
Wife's Address (last known)   Maltmas Green, Denham
Notes   died near La Bassee. Served in South African campaign

There is an oval plague at,

St. Mary the Virgin Church
Village Road
Denham
South Bucks
Buckinghamshire
UB9 5BH
England

The following can all be found here,

Thank you to Philip and Charlie for their contributions

http://themanchesters.org/forum/index.php?topic=9075.15

Also there is a oval plaque in St Marys Church,
Denham, Buckinghamshire, near Uxbridge, West London


Captain Arthur George Tillard, d.1914, killed in action near La Bassoc,
and son David George Tillard, d.1929 in Marlborough, erected by the
unnamed wife and mother. An oval plaque with a narrow border and
cartouche with painted emblem on top.

Enquiries were made to the Red Cross in December 1914 regarding the fate of Capt. Tillard. Capt Selasinky was luckier and appears to have survived the war.
Charlie

Hauptmann Eberhard Karl Gustav Alfred Hermann von Selasen-Selasinsky was, as to be expected, a pre war soldier. Post war, as a retired Major, he was involved in a minor way in returning Crown Prince Wilhelm (the Kaiser's son) to Germany after he had spent 5 years in exile in Holland. He was recalled for the next war and ended up as a Lt. Col. in the Luftwaffe. He lived to the age of 95 and died in 1974.

Perhaps more relevant to the Regiment is that he was, as stated in the newspaper cutting, an ADC in the 25th Infantry Brigade when he wrote the letters. He was in fact an officer in IR158, which was a component of 25 Inf Bde, and was a Company Commander at the start of the war. Manchester Hill in 1918 was thus not the first time the Regiment had faced IR158.

Charlie

I take it that "Mrs Tillard's brother who had received a commission in the same regiment" was Captain Arthur Brooks Close-Brooks MC late of the 3rd Manchesters who DOW on the 10th January 1917 and is buried in Amara War Cemetery.
 PhilipG.
Timberman & Charlie,

                                  Captain Arthur George Tillard

May I make some observations relating to this officer which have emerged from your excellent research?

Firstly, I refer to Reply No. 15 in which Timberman refers to a commemorative plaque in St.Mary's church in Denham, Buckinghamshire, where Tillard's wife resided.  I assume the "unnamed mother" will be Mrs Emily Katherine Tillard (nee Close-Brooks).   Reference is made on this plaque to the sad death of Tillard's son - David George Tillard - who died in 1929 in Marlborough.  I wonder whether or not David Tillard was a pupil at Marlborough College at that time - one of England's top public schools?

Secondly, I refer to Reply No.13 and in particular, to the newspaper cutting in which reference is made to Mrs Tillard's brother, which I suggested would be Arthur Brooks Close-Brooks', who died on active service with the Manchesters and  is buried in Amara War Cemetery.   I wonder if I am correct in that assumption?

Thirdly, I turn to Reply No. 16 and Charlie's helpful contribution, where it seems, in addition to enquiries by Mrs Tillard, there were enquiries by a Miss Tillard of St.Ives, Hunts. (the Captain's sister?) and it would appear from persons domiciled in Switzerland, too.  Is that interpretation correct, Charlie?

Finally, I note that Captain Tillard's name is, like that of 2nd Lt. R.F.Walker,recorded on the Tablet relating to the Manchester Regt. in the Royal Military College's Memorial Chapel at Sandhurst.   
PhilipG.,

Philip,
You are correct. Enquiries were made by the following:
Mrs Tillard
Mrs Cocke
Mrs Venning
Miss Tillard - Hemingford Grey
Mlle Laure de Wild, resident in Münchenbuchsee, Canton Bern
Mme Dunant of Geneve.

If my very poor understanding of the French language is correct, it was thought he may have been a PoW in Darmstadt. There is also a reference to Amsterdam. Perhaps someone who understands French could be more specific.

Unfortunately none of the documents relating to the enquiries have survived.

Charlie
In the clipping it  say's his wife received two or three letters from
Captain E Von Selasinky ADC of the 25th Brigade of infantry Prussian
Army.

Neil 

Hauptmann Eberhard Karl Gustav Alfred Hermann von Selasen-Selasinsky was, as to be expected, a pre war soldier. Post war, as a retired Major, he was involved in a minor way in returning Crown Prince Wilhelm (the Kaiser's son) to Germany after he had spent 5 years in exile in Holland. He was recalled for the next war and ended up as a Lt. Col. in the Luftwaffe. He lived to the age of 95 and died in 1974.

Perhaps more relevant to the Regiment is that he was, as stated in the newspaper cutting, an ADC in the 25th Infantry Brigade when he wrote the letters. He was in fact an officer in IR158, which was a component of 25 Inf Bde, and was a Company Commander at the start of the war. Manchester Hill in 1918 was thus not the first time the Regiment had faced IR158.

Charlie

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Timberman
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1914 - 1918 / Re: 2nd Battalion Officers.
« Last post by timberman on March 22, 2019, 04:06:28 PM »
  2nd Lieutenant John Herbert Michael Smith, 2nd Manchester Regiment.
              (Continued from the last post.)




The grave registration report form.

Timberm
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1914 - 1918 / Re: 2nd Battalion Officers.
« Last post by timberman on March 22, 2019, 04:01:48 PM »
 List of Officers that served with the 2nd Battalion the Manchester Regiment in this Topic.

 Some of these will have been covered before on the forum, I'm just consolidating them in one place.
 
 At the top of each new page will be a list of Officer's covered on that page as follows.





          1) 2nd Lieutenant John Herbert Michael Smith, 2nd Manchester Regiment.
              (Continued from the last post.)

          2) Captain Arthur George Tillard 2nd Battalion Manchester Regiment.

Timberman
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1914 - 1918 / Re: 2nd Battalion Officers.
« Last post by timberman on March 22, 2019, 09:40:59 AM »
2nd Lieutenant John Herbert Michael Smith, 2nd Manchester Regiment.

THE LONDON GAZETTE, 26 SEPTEMBER, 1913.

The Manchester Regiment, Second Lieutenant. John Herbert Michael Smith,
from 3rd Battalion, The Northamptonshire Regiment,, to be Second Lieutenant.
Dated 27th September, 1913.

MONTREUIL AUX LIONS British Cemetery (Aisne France)
History Information
The cemetery was made after the Armistice when graves were brought in from the battlefields of the Aisne.
There are special memorials to 16 casualties known or believed to be buried among them this includes the
two Manchester Officers.

Name:   John Herbert Michael Smith
Death Date: 10 Sep 1914
Rank:   2 Lieutenant
Regiment:   Manchester Regiment
Battalion:   2nd Battalion
Type of Casualty:   Died of wounds

2nd Lieutenant John Herbert Michael Smith, 2nd Manchester Regiment.
Killed in action 10 September 1914, aged 25.
Son of Mr and Mrs J. H. Smith, Cobthorne, Oundle.
Buried in Montreuil-Aux-Lions British Cemetery, Aisne.

His name is  inscribed on the Oundle War Memorial.


Although the CWGC has his death down as the 10th September
and dying of wounds, in the war diaries it says that he and
2nd Lt Arthur Grant Bourne Chittenden both were killed on the
9th of September 1914. Captain Foord was wounded and after being
left on the battlefield all night he was recovered and taken to hospital
the next day.

Timberman


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Hello / Re: help required to identify photo
« Last post by jeremyhull on March 21, 2019, 07:47:51 PM »
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