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1914 - 1918 / Re: Manchester Corporation - City Treasurer's Roll of Honour
« Last post by Tim Bell on September 22, 2018, 02:21:23 PM »
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1914 - 1918 / Re: Manchester Corporation - City Treasurer's Roll of Honour
« Last post by Tim Bell on September 22, 2018, 02:17:26 PM »
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1914 - 1918 / Re: Manchester Corporation - City Treasurer's Roll of Honour
« Last post by Tim Bell on September 22, 2018, 02:15:49 PM »
I've found the order of names on the Roll of Honour is broadly chronological with the dates men enlisted or were called up. 

The list starts with Edmund Moran who joined a Manchester Regiment, Volunteer Bttn in 1907 before rejoining 6th Bttn in 1908.  Edmund suffered sickness and didn't serve overseas unitl 1919, when he was in Copenhagen with the Lancs Fusils helping repatriation of POWs.

Towards the end of the list are three lads called up to the Graduated Bttns.  In common with most men who had enlisted with the Regiment, all 3 were transferred to other Regiments for overseas service.

There are 69 names on the Roll and 8 further men who attested under the Derby Scheme, but didn't serve therafter.  I'm surprised that only 18 men on the roll enlisted with the Manchesters. Only 5 of this group completed their Service with the Regiment and one of these didn't serve overseas. One of the group is 20 year old Pte 202618 George Sidney Kenderine, who died of wounds with 1/5th Bttn on 3/9/1918.

For clerks, accountants and clerical workers, I'm also surprised that very few men joined the City Battalions in 1914.  Albert E Lea 9433 joined 21st Bttn on 21/11/1914 and was discharged sick in 1915, without serving overseas.  Frederick Arthur Booth will have joined 21st Bttn at a similar time and was awarded a DCM before his commission in Prince of Wales West Yorks.  Frederick was killed on 11/10/1918 with the West Yorks 1/7th Bttn, aged 23.

As the Mayor was effectivley in charge of the original City Battalions, I wonder if he initially  insisted that the Treasurers staff stayed in their jobs.  If the Mayor was not offering the commitments for the City Battalions pay and re-employment commitments, this would have restricted volunteers, especially family men.

There are four men who started service with other Regiments and later joined the Manchesters, although one did not serve overseas.  3 of this group were officers, including 2/Lt Arnold Prime from Stockport.  He trained with the Artists Rifles before his commission in 4th Bttn. Arnold was attached to 2/7th Bttn when he was killed on 21/3/1918, aged 29.

Arnold Prime had attested under the Derby Scheme on 5/12/1915, but wasn't called up until 10/1/1917 - giving further indication of the reticence of the Corporation to lose staff, even though conscription was then in force http://www.stockport1914-1918.co.uk/soldier.php?name_id=2079

I'd welcome thoughts on my interpretation.  Having researched the Clerks & Warehousemen of Co-op Wholesale Society, I'm intrigued to seek an explanation why the pattern of service is so different for the Treasurer's Dept. https://issuu.com/battlefieldsleuth/docs/cws_manchester_and_1914_recruitment

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1914 - 1918 / Manchester Corporation - City Treasurer's Roll of Honour
« Last post by Tim Bell on September 22, 2018, 11:14:26 AM »
Hi All,
I'm researching this Roll of Honour to see where and when these men served and why.  There's quite a lot of data.
Roll of Honour - https://www.iwm.org.uk/memorials/item/memorial/24773
War Memorial - https://www.iwm.org.uk/memorials/item/memorial/24780
Book of Honour Roll of men serving by @July 1916
Book of Honour Roll of men attested under the Derby scheme by @ July 1916.

There are 3 Manchester Regiment casualties and a number of other men served in the Regiment. Any other information on the subject would be welcomed.  More of my details will follow to avoid duplication and wasting forum members' efforts.

My initial conclusions are somewhat limited.  This is another research journey that may seem remote (not my first).  My Grandad joined the Dept in 1919 and stayed there until retirement.  Ultimately I've been seeking the military background of his colleagues and speculating on the man who he may have replaced as a casualty.
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Hello / Re: hello from Antwerp!
« Last post by vestingjager on September 19, 2018, 08:36:44 PM »
We have a German photo-album from the Luftwaffe. The fort was used as workhouses and Garages for their trucks.

We found out where German 88mm probably shot up some vehicles, too.

This certainly is good information, any other info is certainly welcome.

Unfortunately, the spot where the regimental flag flew, is now gone, demolished by the Belgian Army to broaden the acces to the fort. We start our tours there nowadays.

Niko.
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Hello / Re: hello from Antwerp!
« Last post by sphinx on September 19, 2018, 11:26:23 AM »
Niko,

1st Battalion HQ was indeed inside Fort No. 2 whilst companies went into action in the town and dock areas.
Major Crozier flew the Regimental flag from the top of the fort despite constant German shellfire.

The forts underground storehouses and magazines were packed with German stores that the Belgians were desperate to get their hands on but were stopped by Major Crozier.

regards
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Hello / hello from Antwerp!
« Last post by vestingjager on September 19, 2018, 10:07:13 AM »
Hello everybody,

My name's Niko, I'm a fortress guide in Fort2 at Antwerp, and I recently found out that the 1st Manchesters stayed in the fort in September of 1944.

Of course, this made me curious so am trying to collect as much information (war diary, pictures, personal stories,.....) as possible to be able to tell their story to those interested.

Recently, we even found some graffiti in one of the fort's gun bunkers:



I hope to find some more info via this forum and share it with you.

Niko.
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Non Commissioned Graves / david clarke
« Last post by mack on September 18, 2018, 02:54:35 AM »
44134 david Clarke
18th manchesters. B.coy
59 taylor st,gorton
shot in the spine 24-4-17
died 28-1-18
buried southern cemetery.S.Cons.1199
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1914 - 1918 / Re: 5th battalion Manchester Regiment : 21st March 1918
« Last post by PhilipG on September 16, 2018, 10:35:40 AM »
Charlie & Mack,

Thank you.

I see that 10643 Pte J.W.Griffith has his photograph in the "Book of Honour", serving in XV Platoon of "D" Coy. 18th Manchesters.   On another matter.    Is it unusual for an officer in a Highland Regiment (e.g. Black Watch) to be attached for service with an English line regiment?   PhilipG.
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1914 - 1918 / Re: 5th battalion Manchester Regiment : 21st March 1918
« Last post by mack on September 15, 2018, 11:27:12 PM »
hiya Philip
the two officers were not related,pte 10643 john,william Griffith was formerly of the 18th manchesters,commissioned 28-8-17,he was from Alderley edge,his only brother clement was killed in action on 1st july with the rifle brigade

mack
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