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Title: Medal Rolls to the Manchester Regt.
Post by: themonsstar on May 11, 2008, 01:19:40 PM
1.  Indian General Service Medal(1854-1895) (IGSM) with Bar Samana 1891(5th April-25th May 1891) 2nd Bn.

2. Queen's South Africa Medal (QSA) 1898-1902.
1st Bn.
2nd Bn.
3rd Bn.
4th Bn.
5th Bn.
6th Bn.
Depot.
No 1 Volunteer Active Service Company.
1st Vol Bn.
2nd Vol Bn.
3rd Vol Bn.
4th Vol Bn.
5th Vol Bn.
6th Vol Bn.
2nd Volunteer Active Service Company.
3rd  Volunteer Active Service Company.
4th Volunteer  Active Service Company.

3. King's South Africa Medal (KSA) 1901-1902.
1st Bn.
2nd Bn.
3rd Bn.
4th Bn.
5th Bn.
6th Bn.
Depot.

4.  First World War Medal Rolls.
1914 Star.
1st Bn.
2nd Bn.

1914/15 Star.
1st Bn.
2nd Bn.
5th Bn.
6th Bn.
7th Bn.
8th Bn.
9th Bn.
10th Bn.
11th Bn.
12th Bn.
13th Bn.
16th Bn.
17th Bn.
18th Bn.
19th Bn.
20th Bn.
22th Bn.
24th Bn.
Labour Corps 1915 Star to Manchester Regt Solders.

British War & Victory Medal Rolls.
There are 33 Vols.

Territorial Force War Medal (TFWM).

5. The General Service Medal (1918-1964).
Bar Iraq (10th Dec 1919-17th Nov 1920)  2nd Bn.

6. Indian General Service Medal (1908-1935)
Bar Burma 1930-32 (22nd Dec 1930-25th March 1932) 2nd Bn.

7.The General Service Medal (1918-1964).
Bar Palestine (19th April 1936-3rd Sept 1939) Manch Regt.

8. The General Service Medal (1918-1964)
Bar Palestine 1945-1948 (27th Sept 1945-30th June 1948) Manch Regt.

9. Foreign Decorations WW1.

10. Long Service & Good Conduct Medal (LS&GC) 1831-1918.

11. Delhi Durbar Medal roll Manch Regt.

12. Victoria Cross (VC).

13.  Military Cross (MC)WW1.

14. Distinguished Conduct Medal (DCM)

15. Military Medal(MM) WW1.

16. Honours & Awards 1930s-1940s Manch Regt.

17. Meritorious Service Medal (MSM) WW1.

18. Egpyt Medal Roll 1882.

19. Crimea Medal Roll 1854-56.

I have lots of other medal rolls to other units.
Title: Re: Medal Rolls to the Manchester Regt.
Post by: sphinx on December 19, 2008, 02:53:50 PM
Roy,

Interesting to note that you have mentioned the following medal roll:-

8. The General Service Medal (1918-1964)
Bar Palestine 1945-1948 (27th Sept 1945-30th June 1948) Manch Regt.


I wasn't aware that the Regiment earned that clasp and its not recorded in the BBM book.

Are there many soldiers of the Regiment awarded the clasp or just some perhaps on attachemnt?

Interesting to find out.

regards
Title: Re: Medal Rolls to the Manchester Regt.
Post by: themonsstar on December 19, 2008, 05:37:27 PM
I will have a look later for you & let you have the names

Cheers Roy
Title: Re: Medal Rolls to the Manchester Regt.
Post by: sphinx on December 21, 2008, 02:14:08 PM
Thankyou.
Title: Re: Medal Rolls to the Manchester Regt.
Post by: themonsstar on December 22, 2008, 11:03:21 AM
The General Service Medal (1918-1964)
Bar Palestine 1945-1948 (27th Sept 1945-30th June 1948) Manch Regt



T/Maj Gill. G.D. T/Maj att Staff College Haifa (in remarks) Python Mar.
Capt Walsh. J.B. O.C. 3rd Div Provost Coy & 2046 Mauritian Guard Coy RPC.
Capt Russell. T.B. 2nd Bn Ox & Bucks.


Pte McCormick A.Ex RASC
Pte Laycock A. Ex RE
Pte Pallister A. Ex ACC
Pte Dinsdale A. Ex ACC
Title: Re: Medal Rolls to the Manchester Regt.
Post by: sphinx on December 22, 2008, 02:07:09 PM
Cheers Roy,

Not many at all then.

A hard GSM and clasp combination to find.  I certainly have never seen one and very possibly they dont exist, if the man already held the GSM earned in his previous regiment and this Palestine 1945-48 was just a further clasp entitlement.

Following on from another topic you have answered, what about the TFWM.

Can you provide that list.

I have seen recorded that there are only 9 officers and 60 men of the whole Regiment issued with it, making it the rarest WW1 campaign medal.

It would be really useful research to see which Battalions the men were with, there service numbers and try and work out from that where they went and why to earn it.

regards
Title: Re: Medal Rolls to the Manchester Regt.
Post by: tonyrod on December 23, 2008, 08:45:39 PM
hi roy, little help needed,i dont know if you had the rolls when i posted on last year but my grandfather  william rodaway  signed up underage cheshire reg 1915, his medals  he signed for 1920  would have had the cheshire regiment on them this i understand,
he then signed up for the manchesters 1916-17 i  have the 2 medal cards one for each regiment,
would he be on the medal roll for a manchester battalion ? due to him signing on again under age i am sure he would not have given the same address for next of kin,  and as for the army this was a different william rodaway still trying to trace his battalion his number in the mans was 79184,  tony
Title: Re: Medal Rolls to the Manchester Regt.
Post by: themonsstar on December 23, 2008, 10:22:29 PM
Do you have a MIC for him & if so can you post the code & page numbers


Cheers Roy
Title: Re: Medal Rolls to the Manchester Regt.
Post by: tonyrod on December 24, 2008, 08:58:55 AM
hi roy i have posted both,
Title: Re: Medal Rolls to the Manchester Regt.
Post by: themonsstar on December 24, 2008, 09:48:42 PM
Sorry Tony I dont have them medal rolls
Title: Re: Medal Rolls to the Manchester Regt.
Post by: tonyrod on December 27, 2008, 12:58:44 PM
hi Roy, thanks for looking, could you tell me what  it tells you?  with him not being on your medal rolls does this say he was not in any of those battalion you have?  or was it because his medals were issued with the Cheshire regiment,
cheers tony
Title: Re: Medal Rolls to the Manchester Regt.
Post by: themonsstar on December 27, 2008, 06:13:32 PM
You would have to look at the Cheshire or Devon Regt's medal rolls to get the info you are looking for.
Title: Re: Medal Rolls to the Manchester Regt.
Post by: tonyrod on December 27, 2008, 06:18:25 PM
ok roy thanks  for  your help..
Title: Re: Medal Rolls to the Manchester Regt.
Post by: sphinx on December 27, 2008, 06:37:19 PM
Hello Roy,

Any luck with the TFEM request.
regards
Title: Re: Medal Rolls to the Manchester Regt.
Post by: Robert Bonner on December 31, 2008, 04:07:54 PM
For interest here is a little background on the redoubtable Captain Joe Walsh.

Joe enlisted in 2nd Bn Scots Guards under-age at 16. Active service in WWII with 1st Guards Brigade in North Africa.  Captured by the Germans on two occasions and escaped both times. Promoted Sergeant in 1943 and to Officer Cadet Training Unit in Palestine before being commissioned and joining the Ardwicks as they entered action in Italy. Post-war served with the Lancashire Fusiliers in Trieste and later at the Manchester Regiment Depot, Ladysmith Barracks as Training Officer.

His son David was commissioned in the King’s Regiment and became a Lieutenant Colonel. Joe died two years ago on 16 December 2006. He really was a larger than life personality.
Robert
Title: Re: Medal Rolls to the Manchester Regt.
Post by: saintconor on January 05, 2009, 09:06:53 PM
Themonsstar, I was wondering if you could be so kind to check the roll for my Pte Mercer?

Thanks

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Title: Re: Medal Rolls to the Manchester Regt.
Post by: Bob.NB on July 04, 2009, 01:15:58 PM
I have a GSM 2 bars "Palestine 1945-48" and "Cyprus" to Lt R.J.McWilliam Manch Regt. It is in a mounted group with a 39/45 Star, Africa Star, Defence medal, War medal and QEII LSGC named to WO.CL2.R J McWilliam RASC.
R J McWilliam was commissioned as a 2 Lt in the Manch. Reg on 25 Aug 1945. I can only assume he reverted to the ranks and later on a gained his LSGC for his service before and after his officer service. The group looks good to me, so these odd medals do exist. Does anyone know anything else about R J McWilliam? Any more information most gratefully received.
Title: Re: Medal Rolls to the Manchester Regt.
Post by: sphinx on July 04, 2009, 01:23:21 PM
Bob,

Should this have been posted in my thread on Cyprus medals?

Interesting to see a GSM named to a Manchester Regiment officer with 2 clasps that the Manchesters are not entitled to!!.

I would be interested to see his details of service unravelled then we could work it out.

regards
Title: Re: Medal Rolls to the Manchester Regt.
Post by: Bob.NB on July 05, 2009, 10:16:14 AM
Sphinx,
Yes sorry. This should probably be under the Cyprus post. I was just browsing through older postings and the Palestine 45-48 triggered my memory. Would you like to move it over?
Best wishes.
Bob
Title: Re: Medal Rolls to the Manchester Regt.
Post by: Bob.NB on July 05, 2009, 10:33:11 AM
Sphinx,
I forgot to add that whilst R J McWilliam would have been a Manchester for the "Palestine 1945-48" bar he may not have been a Manchester for the "Cyprus" bar. He could have been (back?) in the RASC by then and just added this bar to his 'Manchester' medal.
Bob
Title: Re: Medal Rolls to the Manchester Regt.
Post by: sphinx on July 05, 2009, 01:34:43 PM
Bob,

The Manchesters did not get the post war "Palestine 1945-48" clasp either.

They got the 1936-39 "Palestine" clasp.

Thats why I am intrigued to know why it is named to him in the Manchesters.

regards
Title: Re: Medal Rolls to the Manchester Regt.
Post by: themonsstar on July 06, 2009, 11:24:04 AM
352838 Lt R J McWilliam Manch Regt is on the Medal roll for the  Palestine 1945-48 medal GSM & Clasp issue in 1951

IVB1488  7/11/51, BM2295/51/3, BM/2972/48/2/61.
Title: Re: Medal Rolls to the Manchester Regt.
Post by: sphinx on July 06, 2009, 12:02:47 PM
Roy,

Is he the only one?

or
Are there more?

regards
Title: Re: Medal Rolls to the Manchester Regt.
Post by: themonsstar on July 06, 2009, 01:32:17 PM
There are seventeen officers and other ranks for the Palestine roll 45/48.
Title: Re: Medal Rolls to the Manchester Regt.
Post by: sphinx on July 06, 2009, 04:56:02 PM
Thanks Roy,

Thats amazing

Even British Battles & Medals doesn't have that recorded!!

Can I take it that the GSM rolls have now been released into the public domain at the NA?

regards
Title: Re: Medal Rolls to the Manchester Regt.
Post by: Bob.NB on July 06, 2009, 09:25:08 PM
Although an excellent book and the foremost reference book on British Medals, "British Medals and Battles" cannot record every medal awarded to small "detachments. For example several Manchester men were awarded the "N W Persia" bar to the GSM but BB&M does not mention them.
However BB&M does mention that:
1) The Manchesters were generally not awarded India General Service Medals 1895-1902 but several officers and men of the second battn. were involved in two or three of the separate campaigns (eg. Punjab Frontier 1897-98 and Tirah 1897-98) and medals were received by them.
2) The Manchesters did not get the bar "Abor 1911-12" for the IGS 1908 but two men in the telegraph company were awarded it;
3) Although the Egypt 1882 medal roll shows no Manchesters as having been awarded a bar, three men ( M Meek-1st Battn and J Plevin-2nd Battn + a n other) received the "Tel El Kebir" bar. Meek had just been in Afghanistan with the 63rd when he was send back to the UK for discharge having served his time. When he got back to the UK he was put straight back on a ship to take part in the Egyptian campaign and fought at Tel el Kebir before he could rejoin his regiment;
4) The 63rd medal roll for Afghanistan 1878-1880 shows all no bar medals. However BB&M states that some 4 bar medals do exist. Does anyone know where? I have a medal to the 63rd with bar "Kandahar" but apart from confirming that he was in Kandahar two days after the battle I have yet to confirm that he was entitled to the bar. I also have a Kabul to Kandahar Star to the 63rd but I have doubts about this medal.
Oh the joys of collecting!
Bob
Title: Re: Medal Rolls to the Manchester Regt.
Post by: rir179 on September 23, 2009, 01:54:45 PM
Hi Roy,

Can you look for anything on the following two Manch lads, Both 2nd Bn and only a difference of 8 digits between them:

8852 Pte George Baker 2/Manch
8844 Pte James Henry 2/Manch

Grateful for your time.

Regards  Bob
Title: Re: Medal Rolls to the Manchester Regt.
Post by: CrazyRach on June 05, 2014, 09:27:30 AM
My boyfriends grandfather has a general service medal with a Palestine bar. He was eventually a sergeant with the Manchester regiment. His name was Alfred Henry Medcalf.