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1946 to 1958 => Malaya => Topic started by: kewari on November 12, 2015, 12:21:32 AM

Title: Thomas Arands 3605401
Post by: kewari on November 12, 2015, 12:21:32 AM
Researching my grandad Thomas Henry Patrick Arands, and from reading a thread here also 'Larry' I showed my mum the picture of his grave for the first time today. So thank you very much to the poster which looks like it was someone from here. Any information or pictures we would be extremely grateful. We plan on taking my mum next year to the grave for the first time. She sadly never met my grandad as he died 2 months before she was born. And I believe she only knows they was ambushed and not the full account, as I have read this evening so again thanks for that information
Title: Re: Thomas Arands 3605401
Post by: Wendi on November 12, 2015, 08:33:20 AM
Hi Kewari Welcome to our forum.

Have you applied for his service record yet?

Wendi
Title: Re: Thomas Arands 3605401
Post by: kewari on November 12, 2015, 09:15:51 AM
Thanks Wendi, no we haven't applied for his service record, could you point me in the right direction please? I have emailed the regiment museum for his Elizabeth cross that we are due
Title: Re: Thomas Arands 3605401
Post by: george.theshed197 on November 12, 2015, 12:58:21 PM
Hi there Kewart,
By golly that name brings me many memories and takes me back a few years; I first met up with Tommy as I remembered him, when I was a Cpl at Saighton Camp Chester to which the Battalion were based  on their move back to UK prior to our posting to Malaya in 1951, only later did the link to Larry develop.  Like those of his friends who died with him that day he was a good soldier.
Some where in this section is a fairly detailed account of the Cameron Highland ambush on 19th June 1952. My memory is not what is was but as and when I come across the report I will draw your attention to it. I last visited the Cemetery in 1990 and that was when I took the photographs that you seem to have found already.
I may also have a couple of photos of the group during our time at Chester and again will start looking for them.
By now I assume that Wendy will have sent you details of how to get copies of his records so for the time being I welcome you to the Forum where hopefully by reading through this section you may develop some insight to the activities that involved the Battalion in those days and meanwhile I will start searching myself for that report.
Take care.
George.
Title: Re: Thomas Arands 3605401
Post by: kewari on November 12, 2015, 01:05:23 PM
Thanks George anything would be brilliant, we have 1 photo of granddad in uniform, the description is here http://themanchesters.org/forum/index.php?topic=5803.0 under the Manchester's fallen section, 59 years ago today
Title: Re: Thomas Arands 3605401
Post by: george.theshed197 on November 12, 2015, 01:18:44 PM
It would appear that Kingo has already made reference to the Detailed Ambush in response to your queries.
That is what we call service.
Thanks Andy,
George
Title: Re: Thomas Arands 3605401
Post by: kewari on November 12, 2015, 01:28:10 PM
Can I ask how you got to the cemetery George? we are looking at going April next year and taking what we have left of nans ashes
Title: Re: Thomas Arands 3605401
Post by: charlie on November 12, 2015, 02:55:21 PM
Thanks Wendi, no we haven't applied for his service record, could you point me in the right direction please? I have emailed the regiment museum for his Elizabeth cross that we are due

Hi Kewari,
The correct place to send the application for the Elizabeth Cross is the MoD rather than the Regimental museum.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/request-for-the-elizabeth-cross-and-memorial-scroll

The form to fill in for his service record can be found here

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/requests-for-personal-data-and-service-records

Charlie
Title: Re: Thomas Arands 3605401
Post by: kewari on November 12, 2015, 03:00:20 PM
Thanks Charlie
Title: Re: Thomas Arands 3605401
Post by: kewari on November 12, 2015, 03:01:51 PM
I have found the following plaques for the fallen soliders
Title: Re: Thomas Arands 3605401
Post by: Wendi on November 16, 2015, 10:11:19 AM
Hi Kewari et al

Sorry for the delay in replying and thank you Charlie for providing the information (https://www.gov.uk/guidance/requests-for-personal-data-and-service-records)

Wonderful that George remembered him!

Kind regards
Wendi
Title: Re: Thomas Arands 3605401
Post by: Robert Bonner on November 16, 2015, 11:53:55 AM
In the Regimental Chapel in Manchester Cathedral you will also find the fine new carved stone memorial to those who died in the Malayan Emergency.  This was dedicated during the regimental remembrance service on 11th November three years ago.  Larry's name is there, together with  those of the others killed in the Cameron Highlands ambush.
Title: Re: Thomas Arands 3605401
Post by: artyhughes on November 19, 2015, 07:01:44 PM
At the time of the Cameron Highlands ambush,my platoon and I where in Tapah,we were immediately dispatched to the scene of the ambush and took part in the follow up operations,Pte Morezek(I think I have his name spelt correctly)was awarded the Military Medal for his action on that tragic day,he was the bren gunner in the scout car leading the fateful patrol when the ambush was sprung,the first burst of terrorist gunfire knocked the bren gun out of action,Pte Morezek returned the terrorist fire from the exposed turret of the scout car with his personal weapon.Tommy Arrands and his his fellow Mancunians were a tragic loss to the regiment and are fondly remembered.
Title: Re: Thomas Arands 3605401
Post by: kewari on February 11, 2016, 12:31:22 PM
Thanks arty, we got his service records over the weekend, at least I know why I was such a rebel in my younger days I got it from my granddad  ;D
Title: Re: Thomas Arands 3605401
Post by: kewari on March 01, 2016, 09:42:21 AM
My mum has received a letter from the MOD now saying they would like to present her with the Elizabeth cross and memorial scroll, thanks everyone for your help
Title: Re: Thomas Arands 3605401
Post by: kewari on July 12, 2016, 11:45:31 AM
We are going to get my granddads medal and memorial scroll at a presentation on Friday, thanks everyone for your help
Title: Re: Thomas Arands 3605401
Post by: george.theshed197 on July 12, 2016, 12:26:32 PM
Kewari,
Congratulations on this news, glad to have been of assistance and all the best for you all in the future.
How did the trip to Malaysia and Taiping go ?
George.
Title: Re: Thomas Arands 3605401
Post by: kewari on September 28, 2016, 09:43:36 AM
Kewari,
Congratulations on this news, glad to have been of assistance and all the best for you all in the future.
How did the trip to Malaysia and Taiping go ?
George.

We haven't managed to go yet George, my mum doesn't want to go, so it will be my and my brother at some point
Title: Re: Thomas Arands 3605401
Post by: george.theshed197 on September 28, 2016, 10:11:42 AM
Kewari,
Sorry to hear that BUT if you are still watching or reading The Forum you will be coming aware of the more recent arrival of  the latest development and the new interest to our Malayan connection which is developing  similarly to our previous Borneo Head-Hunters  saga - into what may ultimately very well become a Tome  for that period of The Manchester Regiment's , History  which so far has never been achieved.!!!

Don't ever say you never heard  ;D ;D ;D,
All the best for you and yours to the  future, Take Care,
George 
Title: Re: Thomas Arands 3605401
Post by: kewari on November 21, 2016, 03:13:24 PM
Excellent, is there any more information on this please George, or point me in the direction to look?
Title: Re: Thomas Arands 3605401
Post by: george.theshed197 on November 22, 2016, 10:42:01 AM
Hi again,
Currently nothing further, we are all waiting for Indu Sarawak Magdelene and her further trip out to Sarawak in January next - she has stirred the pot and we will ALL have to wait and see.
Cheers,
Apai Tuia George.
Title: A sad time of the day.
Post by: george.theshed197 on December 15, 2016, 10:53:40 AM
Just had a Christmas Card from Tommy Roddulson,

The M.V.A. closed down, March 2016  - commisersations to all  concerned.

Ave aquae Vale.
George.