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Title: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Men
Post by: Glen4059 on January 24, 2014, 11:57:27 PM
This is the list that I have so far of those named on the Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Memorial at Victoria Station. Research is ongoing and the link will be updated as necessary.


https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bwqi3uL-Buy2VmRUWkU0bXVlNUE/edit?usp=sharing
 (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bwqi3uL-Buy2VmRUWkU0bXVlNUE/edit?usp=sharing)
Notes on colour coding of database entries
Name Column
Green – Person Identified  and details entered
Bright Green – No further research required (I have name, rank, No, Work grade and location, date fell, commemoration details and age) This does not mean I will not record any further information, just that I have what I want for the current project.
White – un-researched as yet
Pink – No details yet found

No. Column
Grey Fill - This person has been researched on the NRM database and I need to compare their research with mine
Yellow text – Most likely – but requires further research
Other columns
Yellow text – Caution – this data may be incorrect, example is F Allsopp. I have a record of a F. Allsopp who worked at Newton Heath, joining the 7th Manchesters. My research indicates that this person returned home, so I am still looking for a F. Allsopp (who may be from a different Regiment)
Red text – Danger – this data is almost certainly incorrect – Example is J.A. Johnson. The St Paul’s list shows his grade as Porter, but the 1916 Roll of Honour lists a J. Johnson who was a Chair Wheeler at Horwich, so unlikely to be the same person (But I still need to check it out)

Where a Battalion No. appears in the Regiment column (e.g. 5th Manchester) this is the Battalion they first joined on enlistment, as reported to the Railway. I am in the process of checking these against the CWGC/SDGW details and separating them off into the “Batt/Unit/Ship” Column

There are a few names at the bottom of the list who originally joined the Manchester Regiment, but lost their lives serving with different regiments.
My version of the database has a lot more columns but I have only included here the ones that I consider will be relevant to others to reduce the amount of scrolling required to read it.

As with any research for this period, errors may have crept in, due to available data so the list is open to discussion/ammendment.

Glen
Title: Re: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Men
Post by: Tim Bell on January 25, 2014, 06:34:39 AM
Glen,
Hubert Dawson Obit. on Page 21 of Thomas Cartman's docs.  Photo on Page 1.  http://ripassetseu.s3.amazonaws.com/www.bgsalumni.com/_files/documents/jan_14/wmp__1389954608_Cartman_Scrapbook_Part_1.pdf (http://ripassetseu.s3.amazonaws.com/www.bgsalumni.com/_files/documents/jan_14/wmp__1389954608_Cartman_Scrapbook_Part_1.pdf)  I couldn't find him on your list, but may have been lost in excel.

Tim
Title: Re: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Men
Post by: Wendi on January 25, 2014, 08:49:18 AM
Or simply not on the Memorial.

This is the list that I have so far of those named on the Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Memorial at Victoria Station.

Title: Re: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Men
Post by: Glen4059 on January 25, 2014, 11:02:05 AM
Glen,
Hubert Dawson Obit. on Page 21 of Thomas Cartman's docs.  Photo on Page 1.  http://ripassetseu.s3.amazonaws.com/www.bgsalumni.com/_files/documents/jan_14/wmp__1389954608_Cartman_Scrapbook_Part_1.pdf (http://ripassetseu.s3.amazonaws.com/www.bgsalumni.com/_files/documents/jan_14/wmp__1389954608_Cartman_Scrapbook_Part_1.pdf)  I couldn't find him on your list, but may have been lost in excel.

Tim
Fantastic! - Thanks

The link I posted only lists those that I have identified as Manchester Rgt. H.Dawson is on my main list as a Clerk - but I had no other details before seeing this post. I will add him over the weekend when I have done a bit more digging.

One difficulty I have encountered is that the railways were a reserved occupation. I know more fell than are on the lists, but have to assume that some were refused permission to enlist, so resigned from their job in order to do so. This meant they were not employed by the railways so their names would not appear on the memorials
Title: Re: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Men
Post by: mack on January 25, 2014, 01:31:52 PM
hiya glen
one of your men,t.conlan,there was pte 2965 tim conlon[spelt with an O]he was in A.coy,1st manchesters,killed on 14-3-15,lived at 18 little hannah st,salford,married elizabeth nelson in salford 1905
sorry but i cant find a railway connection,there was a mention in the M.E.N about him on 12-4-15

mack ;D
Title: Re: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Men
Post by: george.theshed197 on January 25, 2014, 01:43:12 PM
Glen,
WW2 I was working with the Min. of Fuel and Power as a former member of C & W as a Tele-printer Mech/Op, again Reserved Occ. BUT we only had to submit a request to our Head Office, (pre-war they had been  (Shell and Anglo) and permission to join up was usually granted (certainly was in my own case) - maybe the same or similar situation applied WW1 ??

George.

PS. Before any of the rest of you start chipping - May be they had preferred me to be else-where. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Men
Post by: mack on January 25, 2014, 02:48:19 PM
hiya glen
this could be your Lt h.jones

2/Lt harold jones
RDC
1 orange hill rd,heaton park
clerk in the railway engineers dept
died in king edwards hospital,cardiff on 26-12-17
aged 42
wife agnes,hattersfield jones

mack ;D
Title: Re: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Men
Post by: Glen4059 on January 25, 2014, 08:44:11 PM
Thanks for the suggestions above - I will look further into them when I can.

When replying to the post from Tim Bell this morning I was a bit short of time, but can now explain how useful this information is
The Memorial lists H. Dawson as Pte. and the St. Paul's list shows him as a private and a clerk.

CWGC lists 91 H.Dawson's (50 of which are Private)

There are no service records and it is only when I look at the 1911 census, I find Railway Clerk shown as occupation.

So one snippet of info has saved me a fruitless search of the 50 Privates - before I extend the search to the NCO's and above.

Further checking and I find he is listed in the LYR Roll of Honour from 1915, which lists all staff who had joined the colours up to that date and confirms Tim's information

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p12/Aaron_Aardvark/1916p4_zps9fa8cebf.jpg) (http://s124.photobucket.com/user/Aaron_Aardvark/media/1916p4_zps9fa8cebf.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Men
Post by: Glen4059 on January 25, 2014, 09:09:36 PM
Glen,
WW2 I was working with the Min. of Fuel and Power as a former member of C & W as a Tele-printer Mech/Op, again Reserved Occ. BUT we only had to submit a request to our Head Office, (pre-war they had been  (Shell and Anglo) and permission to join up was usually granted (certainly was in my own case) - maybe the same or similar situation applied WW1 ??

George.

PS. Before any of the rest of you start chipping - May be they had preferred me to be else-where. ;D ;D ;D

The basic rule was that staff could apply to join the services, but as early as September 1914, a War Office instruction was sent out to recruiting officers and agencies " Where candidates for enlistment are men employed by railway companies or by armament or food producing companies, they should not be accepted by the recruiting officers unless they bring a certificate from the company concerned that their services can be spared"

The message to staff from the railway companies was "Wherever it is possible to do so, without impairing the efficiency of the working of the railway, permission to enlist will be given upon application being made to the Head of Department"

Looking through all my lists it is noticeable that there are very few Drivers or fireman listed, as these would invariably be refused.

The L&Y roll of honour book from 1916 (see a sample page in my post above) does highlight those who asked, were refused, but decided to enlist anyway. I have looked at the service records of some of these and found a wide list of declared occupations!

A good example is from Albert Andrews book - A Manchester Pal on the Somme - p28 has a photograph of Robert Lamb Buckley, who worked for the Great Northern Railway in Manchester and died 1st June 1916. He does not appear on any of my lists.

His attestation papers survive, but he declares his trade a Clerk with no mention of the railway.
Title: Re: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Men
Post by: Glen4059 on January 27, 2014, 09:56:36 PM
I have updated my master list with the info so far received, with the exception of Pte. Conlan/Conlon that I need to look at further.

I seems that the Google drive checks your Cache 1st, so you may not see the changes if you have already loked at the file, to get the latest version there is a download link to the top left.

Glen
Title: Re: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Men
Post by: roytoner on February 14, 2014, 06:35:19 PM
hi Glen, I cant open your link for some reason. I have some info on a  Lancs&Yorks Railway worker, not sure if you've got him - James William Butterworth (52147) Leicestershire Regiment, ex-Lancs Fusiliers
Title: Re: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Men
Post by: Glen4059 on February 15, 2014, 01:06:03 AM
hi Glen, I cant open your link for some reason. I have some info on a  Lancs&Yorks Railway worker, not sure if you've got him - James William Butterworth (52147) Leicestershire Regiment, ex-Lancs Fusiliers

Thanks for the info, the only details I have was that he was a "Ganger" on the railway - in today's terms that would be a track worker. I don't suppose you know where he worked?

I will check the link tomorrow (1am is a bit late!)

Glen
Title: Re: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Men
Post by: roytoner on February 15, 2014, 11:39:08 AM
sorry, I dont know where he worked but he lived in Royton. I have him down as a 'plate layer' - same thing I suppose. Are you researching all the men or just those that were in the Manchester Regiment? Will keep my eye open for anymore I see

http://www.roytonrollofhonour.com/Burns_Butterworth.html#butterworth_james_william
Title: Re: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Men
Post by: Glen4059 on February 15, 2014, 04:00:48 PM
Are you researching all the men or just those that were in the Manchester Regiment?


My main research is into all the men named on the L&Y memorial at Manchester Victoria, however during the course of this I am finding detail of other railwaymen that are being added to a separate database for future research, so if you come across any railway staff at all I would be interested in the details/
Title: Re: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Men
Post by: mack on February 16, 2014, 05:29:50 PM
hiya glen.
do you have 1858 george jacques,42 ash st,oldham rd aged 18,he worked at thorpe rd,dont know what or where thorpe rd was.

mack ;D
Title: Re: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Men
Post by: Glen4059 on February 17, 2014, 12:45:32 PM
Got him, but thanks.

George Jacques was an apprentice turner at Newton Heath Carriage and Wagon Works bounded by Thorp Road (no "e") Monsall Road and Northampton Road (which at the time was called North Road)

http://goo.gl/maps/4Qt7e (http://goo.gl/maps/4Qt7e)
Title: Re: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Men
Post by: mack on February 28, 2014, 09:55:57 PM
hiya glen
you will probably have this soldier but posted him just in case.

pte 2947 Samuel rowbottom,1st manchesters,died 27th april 1916,aged 40,worked at Charlestown station,ashton,resided 1 alma place,lodge lane,dukinfield
served in the boer war

mack ;D
Title: Re: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Men
Post by: Glen4059 on March 06, 2014, 08:17:01 PM
Apologies for delayed reply - I have been without internet for a week!
I do have the Soldier above but have a different address - (Husband of Elizabeth H. Rowbottom, of IA, High St., Stalybridge. Born at Dukinfield, Cheshire.) taken from CWGC.

However your confirmation is appreciated, as my hand written notes point me to a 1911 census search that gave me -a 46 Year old Railway Clerk in Marple (worked for Great Central), and a 32 YO Railway Drayman from Hulme (worked for Great Northern).

Both the above are crossed out before I settled on the above.

Glen
Title: Re: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Men
Post by: mack on March 28, 2014, 12:52:14 AM
hiya glen.
you may have this but posted it just in case.

1714 William,john spencer
1/7th Lancashire fusiliers
killed in action on 7th august 1915 while holding a captured trench
worked in the telegraph office of the L+Y railway
aged 21
son of George+margaret,8 George st,pendleton
his father was serving in the same company and also worked for the railway as a wireman
William had only just returned to Gallipoli after previously being wounded in the face

mack ;D
Title: Re: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Men
Post by: Glen4059 on March 29, 2014, 03:11:25 PM
Thanks again, I had already picked up this mans details from Hell Let Loose -

Born in Preston ,lived with his parents at George St Pendleton . He was employed by the Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Company in the Telegraph Department,
Major Law wrote " he was killed whilst assisting to hold a trench, which we took form the enemy. One of his comrades who was beside him , tells me he was shot through the head and died instantly. Your husband (Private George Spencer) is still in good health, though naturally , he feels his son's loss very keenly.

but as usual your help is much appreciated

Glen
Title: Re: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Men
Post by: mack on May 19, 2014, 09:26:01 AM
pte 10985 harold grange
18th manchesters
wheelwright for L+Y railways at salford
63 stapleton st,irlam o heights
son of john,henry+nellie grange
member of the weslyan sunday school irlam and the weslyan cricket team,also a scoutmaster for the local scout group
killed in action 4-2-16

brother of alfred grange who is also on the memorial,alfred was later killed with the 1/8th manchesters
Title: Re: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Men
Post by: Glen4059 on May 31, 2014, 01:56:36 PM
Many thanks for this one. I had the same number down as a "most probable" so the confirmation is great

Glen
Title: Re: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Men
Post by: Tim Bell on September 02, 2014, 05:41:59 AM
Glen,
May / not be relevant
Pte. J. Head (wounded), after leaving school, went into the works of the Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway Co. at Horwich. At the outbreak of war he enlisted in the 20th Royal Fusiliers, P.S. Battalion.
See pg 234 http://www.worldwar1schoolarchives.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/ULULA_1916_11.pdf (http://www.worldwar1schoolarchives.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/ULULA_1916_11.pdf)
T
Title: Re: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Men
Post by: Glen4059 on September 04, 2014, 09:15:25 PM
Thanks for the info. This man seems to have survived as he is not listed on the memorial and a quick check on CWGC does not through up any likley candidates.

A quick update on my research - Some of you may have seen the Micheal Portillo Railways of the Great War series. The accompaning book to the series lists a 2014 publication in the Biblography, that is research of every railway man who fell in WW1. I have searched for the book on Amazon but it does not appear to be published yet. I have written to the publishers of the BBC book to see if they can shed any more light on this reference and am awaiting their reply.

I don't want to replicate work that has already been done - but hope this publication (or contact with the author) will help me in my research.

Glen
Title: Re: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Men
Post by: Tim Bell on September 15, 2014, 08:45:34 PM
Not M/Chrs but http://www.worldwar1schoolarchives.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/ULULA_1918_10.pdf (http://www.worldwar1schoolarchives.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/ULULA_1918_10.pdf)
Lieutenant Walter Dearden (1907-10), North Staffs. Regiment, whose
death was recorded in our July number, was the son of Mr. Wm. Dearden,
F.C.A., o( Whitefield. He is presumed to have died in Mesopotamia nearly
two years ago. Before the war he was in the L. & Y. Ry. Engineering
Works at Horwich.

T
Title: Re: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Men
Post by: Glen4059 on September 15, 2014, 09:32:29 PM
Thanks for that - I did have some details but your post gave me a work location and a forename that were missing from my database  :)

to quote a well known supermarket - every little helps

Glen
Title: Re: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Men
Post by: Tim Bell on September 16, 2014, 10:20:50 PM
Captain Douglas S. Hodgson Jones (1909-12), Royal Fusiliers, who died at Aldershot on February 13th, was the son of the Rev. Hodgson Jones,
formerly rector of St. Matthias, Salford. He was one of the first pupils at the North Manchester Preparatory School, of which he became captain.
After leaving us—he will be remembered at School for his splendid running—he was apprenticed to the Lancashire and Yorkshire Engineering Works at Horwich, and became assistant scoutmaster to the first troop of Grammar School Scouts. He enlisted in the Public Schools Battalion, and was at once nominated to a commission. He was mentioned in despatches, wounded in the arm, and also gassed.

http://www.worldwar1schoolarchives.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/ULULA_1919_02.pdf (http://www.worldwar1schoolarchives.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/ULULA_1919_02.pdf)
Title: Re: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Men
Post by: Glen4059 on September 16, 2014, 10:45:11 PM
Thanks Again

I have him listed as Royal Engineers - so will check that

I really appreciate these, the extra info in these posts is fantastic

Glen
Title: Re: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Men
Post by: Tim Bell on September 17, 2014, 07:07:49 AM
Glen,
I'm glad it helps.  Credit goes to the people who digitised & published the school records.  http://www.worldwar1schoolarchives.org/ (http://www.worldwar1schoolarchives.org/)I've been routing through with an eye on 17th Bttn.  It's been a bit of a marathon and I hope others find some useful data in the extracts I've posted on the Manchesters.  I think I'll leave others to cover Bury Grammar and Manchester High School for Girls if they wish....
T
Title: Re: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Men
Post by: Tim Bell on September 17, 2014, 05:49:07 PM
Not Obits. but:-
http://www.worldwar1schoolarchives.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/ULULA_1919_04.pdf (http://www.worldwar1schoolarchives.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/ULULA_1919_04.pdf)
Railway Work.
The High Master has received the following letter :—
Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway,
Newton Heath,
February 20th, 1919.
Dear Mr. Paton,
The demobilisation of your War workers is from many aspects a source
• of keen regret to all those at the Lancashire and Yorkshire Carriage and
Wfeigon Works, Newton Heath, who have had the pleasure of coming in
contact with such an excellent body of •willing helpers.
If the work done here is taken alone, amongst your varied activities
during the War, it is an effort to serve a great national industry of which
you, the masters, and all the boys, may be very proud, for there is no
doubt that history will record that the railways were one of the brightest
spots in efficiency and services rendered to the State in a period of great
anxiety and strenuous deeds, and you have done your share in achieving
this.
Since the commencement of your work here on March 10th, 1917, to
February 1st, 1919, the Grammar School workers have moved nearly
10,000 tons of material and unloaded about 1,200 wagons, in addition to
. which the excavations for our Timber Drying Kiln now in regular use,
amounting to 1,330 cubic yards, were entirely carried out by the gangs
you provided and the benefit of which will be especially felt for some time
t o come whilst timber continues to be scarce. These are indeed great results.
I want to thank you all very much for the splendid work accomplished,
and especially that you and Messrs. Lodge and Ashby have been workers
amongst the boys on so many occasions ; it will take a well-earned place
in the War history of these Works, and we shall all remember your visits
with much satisfaction.
One cannot attempt to express the above appreciation in any concrete
form, but I will ask you present to receive a framed photographic souvenir,
and should be glad if you can find a place for it in the Grammar School;
also I send a small token of my personal gratitude for your War Memorial
Fund which please accept and enter in your lists as " A Thank-offering for
War Services."
Believe me always,
Yours faithfully,
F . E. GOBEY.
Title: Re: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Men
Post by: Glen4059 on October 21, 2014, 09:33:05 PM
I have today recieved details of men who worked for the Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Carriage and Wagon Department who fell (and also those who served and returned)
From the info obtained I can add the following to the list (All info is as recieved so further research is needed)

Name/Rank (Pvt unless shown)/Unit/Workplace/Awards

Richardson AH 2/7th Manch Newton Heath
Wollen JA 2nd Lieut 3rd Manch Newton Heath (Not listed on LYR memorial at Manchester Victoria*)
Jones A 21st Manch Red Bank
Ball D 8th Manch Manchester Victoria (Not listed on LYR memorial at Manchester Victoria*)
Gregory W 2nd Manch Manchester Victoria
Jackson T 20th Manch Manchester Victoria

*These are likley to have resigned from the Railway prior to enlisting (possibly have been refused permission to join up)

More detail on those who served and returned to follow
Title: Re: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Men
Post by: PhilipG on June 11, 2015, 11:40:20 AM
Glen4059,

                                               Great War Railwaymen

In the course of some research on another aspect of the Great War, I came across the following L & Y Railwayman:

9811 Pte H. Billington: 18th Manchesters reputed killed at Trones Wood on 13.7.16.  Buried Heath Cem. Harbonnieres.   His parents lived in West Gorton. Regards. PhilipG.
Title: Re: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Men
Post by: PhilipG on June 12, 2015, 12:18:06 PM
Glen4059

You may be interested in the following:-

                               2nd Lt. Karl George Ibison of No. 213 Squadron Royal Air Force (formerly a clerk with the L & Y Railway).


On the 4th October 1918, this officer was piloting a Sopwith Camel aircraft No. D9601 of No.213 Squadron and was last seen at 4 p.m. of that day flying near Roulers.  However, he failed to return to base and was subsequently listed as KIA.   He is buried in the churchyard at St.Baafs-Vijve.

It would seem that Lt. Ibison is the only British Forces interment in that cemetery and the grave photograph depicted by the CWGC site indicates that it is being well maintained.   PhilipG.
Title: Re: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Men
Post by: BarkerC on August 10, 2015, 05:30:19 PM
Glen,

I have recently come upon a newspaper cutting from late 1916/early 1917 that identifies 8742 Sgt Frank Willoughby Moxton, the platoon sergeant of XIII Platoon, 17th Manchesters, as working in the Office of the Chief Goods Manager of the L&YRC before the war.  If you want more details and can let me know what information you are interested in, I shall give you what I have.
Title: Re: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Men
Post by: mack on February 20, 2016, 11:41:21 AM
pte 2 albert,edward barton.
8 wragley st,miles platting
wife mary
mobilised from the reserve on 5-8-14
wounded in france 1914 with 2nd battalion
transferred to 1st manchesters in Mesopotamia
died of disease at 8th field ambulance 3-5-16 during operation to relieve kut
CWGC list him as 21st manchesters,this is a error

mack ;D
Title: Re: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Men
Post by: Keithryding on May 13, 2016, 06:27:50 AM
Does anyone have any information on Joseph Ryding?
Title: Re: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Men
Post by: PhilipG on May 13, 2016, 10:15:25 AM
Keith,

Firstly, welcome to the Forum.  If your enquiry refers to 200198 Pte Joseph Herbert Ryding, who was killed in action on the 11th November 1917 whilst serving with the 12th Bn. Manchester Regt., and whose next of kin were Frank & Sarah Ryding, I write to say that his name is listed in the Roll of Honour in the history of that battalion.  He has no known grave and his name is inscribed on one of the panels of the Tyne Cot Memorial.

The period in which this soldier was in action and was killed is described in the Battalion History as the "Close of the Passchendaele Attack."  Particular mention is made of assaults on Gravel Farm, casualties in All Ranks numbering 32.  I presume that this is the location of the action in which Pte Ryding was sadly killed.  PhilipG.
Title: Re: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Men
Post by: mack on May 13, 2016, 03:31:42 PM
hiya keith.
if this is the joseph ryding your looking for,he didn't work for the railways,he worked at Victoria pit for the wigan coal and iron company,lived at 20 heaton st,standish,wigan

mack ;D
Title: Re: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Men
Post by: Glen4059 on May 25, 2016, 09:19:51 PM
Apologies, This has taken a back seat for a while due to other commitments. I am still working on the project (so far 1000 out of the 1458 identified.)

Thanks to those who have posted info above

H Billington is useful - as a team of researchers in Goole had him as a Goole resident, but I had marked it for review, due a a difference in the the spelling of the surname.

KG Ibison was known to me (another of my projects is visiting cemeteries with less than 5 CWGC burials)
FW Moxton is not listed on the memorial (so possibly resigned form the LYR to enlist)
AE Barton was known to me - He was previously a shunter at Miles Platting
J Ryding Is not listed on the LYR memorial, which seems to confirm Mack's post
Title: Re: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Men
Post by: TonyB on July 03, 2016, 04:24:03 PM
Hi Glen
Some info on Cpl WB Ormsby who is listed on the memorial at Victoria he was the son of William and Mary Ormsby of Chorlton Manchester and was married to Mabel B Ormsby (nee Standring) he had 2daughters Josephine and Hilda
Title: Re: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Men
Post by: Glen4059 on July 03, 2016, 05:20:39 PM
Thanks for that, I have him as 8811, 2nd Manchesters, a Carter at Oldham Road Goods Depot
There is a note in one of the railway records that he had been wounded (prior to 1916)
Title: Great Central Railway Men who served in WW1 in 17th Manchester Regiment
Post by: Nonnapaula on April 25, 2017, 09:53:51 AM
Hello, I am new to the forum so don't know the protocol but hope someone can help me with my quest.

My husband's grandfather, James Battle Ritchie, was lost in the 2nd Scarpe Battle for Arras on St. George's Day, 23rd April 1917. He served as an Accounts Clerk in Manchester for the Great Central Railway before the First World War however I can find no mention of him on any Great Central Railway memorial in Manchester.  His name is listed on the 'Arras Faubourg-d'Armiens Memorial', like so many others, he has no grave.

I have attached a photo of him, (seated middle of pic), together with what I assume are his Army pals, before leaving for France. Also, a copy of his Memorial Certificate.

I would be very grateful for any information about Lance Corporal James Battle Ritchie and/or his service with the Railway. 

Thank you.