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The Great War => 1914 - 1918 => Topic started by: Wendi on March 04, 2008, 06:14:13 PM

Title: Pte William Macauley 17th bttn 8723
Post by: Wendi on March 04, 2008, 06:14:13 PM
Hi Shelia !
I got the information from genesreunited, which is good as a starting point, but can be a bit misleading sometimes.
It's always worth verifying EVERYTHING, if possible  ;D

Do you have William's Medal Index Card ?  http://tinyurl.com/2jhzwv

Many completed interview forms on their return to Blighty, however I could not see one for William.  There maybe other records for him and TNA has a guide (somewhat mind blowing if it's the first time you have seen one) but my reply would be incomplete without advising you that it exists

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=21

themonsstar is our National Archives expert  ;)

Wendi  :)
Title: Pte William Macauley 17th bttn 8723
Post by: Wendi on March 04, 2008, 07:36:17 PM
Shelia, if you get his Medal Index Card copy it here so we can try to help you decipher it !

Wendi  :)
Title: Pte William Macauley 17th bttn 8723
Post by: Sheila on March 07, 2008, 01:07:46 PM
OK Here it is glad for the deciphering - doesn't mean a lot to me!
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/DoLUserDownload/Cordeschi@hotmailcom/WO/372/12/0/38874.pdf

Thanks
Sheila
Title: Pte William Macauley 17th bttn 8723
Post by: harribobs on March 07, 2008, 02:46:37 PM
(http://harribobs.smugmug.com/photos/262949667_azSAg-M.jpg)
Title: Pte William Macauley 17th bttn 8723
Post by: Wendi on March 07, 2008, 05:23:44 PM
Chaps 

What is written at the very top   ??? see McCauley H Ident  ??? and just as important, what does it mean  :D

Wendi  :)

Title: Pte William Macauley 17th bttn 8723
Post by: harribobs on March 07, 2008, 10:03:50 PM
that is a very good question, i am afraid the significance of the comment escapes me .... ???

is it sgt ie sergeant?
Title: Pte William Macauley 17th bttn 8723
Post by: kingo on March 07, 2008, 10:19:00 PM
Sig-as in signaller ?
Title: Re: Pte William Macauley 17th bttn 8723
Post by: harribobs on March 09, 2008, 08:47:46 AM
Sig-as in signaller ?

we may well be jumping ahead of ourselves here ;), let's start with the basics on william :D
Title: Re: Pte William Macauley 17th bttn 8723
Post by: harribobs on March 09, 2008, 09:06:19 AM
(http://harribobs.smugmug.com/photos/263601178_W8XM5-O.jpg)

William was one of the original 'Pals' volunteering for service on the 2nd sept 1914, he was in A company, platoon 1 ( so he was a hairs breath away from being in the 16th!)

(http://harribobs.smugmug.com/photos/263603472_CZkzv-M.jpg)
Title: Re: Pte William Macauley 17th bttn 8723
Post by: harribobs on March 09, 2008, 09:11:28 AM
we know that he's on this photo, but we don't know which one he is

(http://harribobs.smugmug.com/photos/263603867_Eys6N-O.jpg)
Title: Re: Pte William Macauley 17th bttn 8723
Post by: Sheila on March 09, 2008, 02:22:02 PM
Wow that's incredible, the one who looks most like him is the last man on the top row (going from left to right). 

Sheila
Title: Re: Pte William Macauley 17th bttn 8723
Post by: Sheila on March 09, 2008, 02:25:39 PM
Sorry I've just had a better look, he's next to the last one on the top row, when I maximised the photo another guy appeared.

Sheila
Title: Re: Pte William Macauley 17th bttn 8723
Post by: harribobs on March 10, 2008, 09:22:20 PM
this one?
Title: Re: Pte William Macauley 17th bttn 8723
Post by: harribobs on March 11, 2008, 03:42:04 PM
i have found out what the strange inscription is at the top,

it's a cross reference to another medal card where his name was spelled incorrectly as Mcauley

Medal card of     McCauley, William
Corps:    Manchester Regiment
Regiment No:    8723
Rank:    Private
   1914-1920   WO 372/12   

See details
Medal card of     MacAuley, William
Corps:    Manchester Regiment
Regiment No:    8723
Rank:    Private
   1914-1920   WO 372/12   
See details
Title: Re: Pte William Macauley 17th bttn 8723
Post by: Wendi on March 12, 2008, 09:37:16 AM
 ;D Well done you !!!
OK Here it is glad for the deciphering - doesn't mean a lot to me!

Shelia, it tells us that he was awarded all three medals, which means he entered the theatre of war prior to 1916, sadly it does not tell us which theatre, but it might do on the other card  :-\ http://www.shrinkurl.org/24/

The numbers etc next to the medals indicate the pages of the rolls on which the awards are made, and can be viewed at The National Archives.

Hope this helps
Wendi  :)
Title: Re: Pte William Macauley 17th bttn 8723
Post by: harribobs on March 12, 2008, 12:53:30 PM
i can tell you that, he went to france in november 1915 ;)  william was one of the original pals

the main site has a good reference page (http://www.themanchesters.org/17th%20batt.htm)

mike stedmans book on the pals is well worth reading, also the official history of the 16-19th batts
Title: Re: Pte William Macauley 17th bttn 8723
Post by: Sheila on March 16, 2008, 09:37:09 PM
Thank you so much everybody, yes I´m pretty certain he´s the one you´ve highlighted, none of the others look vaguely like him.   I´m in Spain for a couple of months where I only have a rural connection so I´ll keep logging on if and when I can.  I´m really interested in finding out more about him and will order the book you suggested when I get back.

Kind regards
Sheila