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The Great War => 1914 - 1918 => Topic started by: wendy on October 28, 2007, 04:10:20 AM

Title: Thomas Barclay Broomhall - Private
Post by: wendy on October 28, 2007, 04:10:20 AM
Private Thomas Barclay Broomhall.  Born 10.01.1900 in Glasgow, Scotland. Regiment No. 71184. Was a Rifleman with the 22nd.  Any other information would be appreciated.

Regards Wendy
Title: Re: Thomas Barclay Broomhall - Private
Post by: wendy on October 28, 2007, 04:22:26 AM
This is another one of my Grandad. I don't know what year this was taken, possible after June, 1924 as that was the year he married my Grandma. (You can just see the wedding ring). But he doesn't look 24, he looks a lot younger. What do you think?
Title: Re: Thomas Barclay Broomhall - Private
Post by: wendy on October 28, 2007, 04:27:57 AM
This is a photo of his brother, Charles Arnett Broomhall, whom I believe may have been in the Cheshire Regiment. Private. Reg No. 33119.  If I have the right person!!
Title: Re: Thomas Barclay Broomhall - Private
Post by: harribobs on October 29, 2007, 09:41:39 PM
This is another one of my Grandad. I don't know what year this was taken, possible after June, 1924 as that was the year he married my Grandma. (You can just see the wedding ring). But he doesn't look 24, he looks a lot younger. What do you think?

he certainly doesn't look 24! could the ring be an addition i wonder, his uniform looks pre/early war with pleated pockets ( well filled) and big (possible territorial) shoulder titles
Title: Re: Thomas Barclay Broomhall - Private
Post by: wendy on November 01, 2007, 10:24:54 PM
Thanks for the response Chris.

Yes, he doesn't look old enough to shave! Can you add to your comment about the 'big (possible territorial) shoulder titles'?  I'm sorry, I know what that means.  Was there a territorial unit in the manchesters? 

On the back of the photo of him on the horse it has written 'A.S.G' (or it could be a 'C') then it says 'Larthom Park, England'. It also says that this photo was sent to his brother Charles in 1919.  Have you heard of this Larthom Park?  Would the A.S.G stand for something like Army Service Grounds?

Regards,  Wendy
Title: Re: Thomas Barclay Broomhall - Private
Post by: harribobs on November 01, 2007, 10:43:31 PM
that would be ASC   Army Service Corps, this will give you an idea of what they did ( from the long long trail), i think that's latham park

http://www.1914-1918.net/asc.htm (http://www.1914-1918.net/asc.htm)

can i ask where you got the service number and regimental info from?

cheers

chris

Title: Re: Thomas Barclay Broomhall - Private
Post by: wendy on November 01, 2007, 10:54:24 PM
Thanks for the quick response, Chris.

I have a piece of paper that says 'Certificate of Employment During the War' & it has his name, rank & number on it. It has also been stamped with 22nd Bn Manchester Regt.  It says on the back that he was a rifleman.

Wendy
Title: Re: Thomas Barclay Broomhall - Private
Post by: harribobs on November 02, 2007, 09:14:05 AM
i am struggling to find a medal card for him, does anyone else want a go?

http://www.tiny.cc/nationalarchives448 (http://www.tiny.cc/nationalarchives448)
Title: Re: Thomas Barclay Broomhall - Private
Post by: Wendi on November 02, 2007, 09:29:08 AM
I can't find a MIC for him either......

Private Thomas Barclay Broomhall.  Born 10.01.1900 in Glasgow

Maybe he was to young to go abroad ???

Wendi  :)
Title: Re: Thomas Barclay Broomhall - Private
Post by: wendy on November 06, 2007, 09:35:40 PM
Where would I be able to get a copy of his enlistment/discharge papers?   ???

Wendy
Title: Re: Thomas Barclay Broomhall - Private
Post by: harribobs on November 06, 2007, 10:18:14 PM
D'oh!!!

i have just realised i missed a huge clue in why we couldn't see a MIC

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Born 10.01.1900 in Glasgow
  :o

he didn't serve in the war, he was much too young

if he was still in thye army after 1922 he's service papers will still be with the MOD in Glasgow, have a look at this site and it will tell you how to apply fort his papers

http://www.veterans-uk.info/service_records/service_records.html (http://www.veterans-uk.info/service_records/service_records.html)

chris
Title: Re: Thomas Barclay Broomhall - Private
Post by: wendy on November 06, 2007, 10:32:10 PM
Hey Chris,

Thanks for web site, I will check it out straight away.   :D

When you say he didn't serve in the war, do you mean that he didn't go overseas? How old did you have to be to sign up?

Cheers, Wendy

Title: Re: Thomas Barclay Broomhall - Private
Post by: harribobs on November 06, 2007, 10:47:21 PM

yes, and in order to be entitled to campaign medals, you had to serve abroad

the age requirement for a soldier to go abroad was 19
Title: Re: Thomas Barclay Broomhall - Private
Post by: MBrockway on November 06, 2007, 11:30:59 PM

yes, and in order to be entitled to campaign medals, you had to serve abroad

the age requirement for a soldier to go abroad was 19
Although one of my Over Peover men may have been wounded in Gallipoli aged 17yrs :-\
Cheers,
Mark
Title: Re: Thomas Barclay Broomhall - Private
Post by: wendy on November 07, 2007, 12:08:09 AM
Hey Chris,

I have just emailed that veterans site so hopefully I'll get a reply soon.   :D

Cheers, Wendy
Title: Re: Thomas Barclay Broomhall - Private
Post by: MBrockway on November 07, 2007, 01:28:26 PM
Pals,
I have copied this text from a Post I made yesterday on the GWF in case you all miss it.

I think this is in fact Lathom Park rather than Larthom Park

Lathom Park is the grounds of the stately home Lathom Hall about 1 mile NW of Skelmersdale, Lancs. (Grid Reference SD 459 092).

The original house was destroyed by order of Parliament after the Civil War and the later 18th Century residence of the Earls of Lathom was commandeered during the First World War as a depot and garrison and badly damaged. After the war the Earl moved to nearby Blythe Hall. After standing empty for several years the greater part of the house was demolished in 1925, only the West Wing - the Stable Block - remains and this has recently been converted into luxury apartments.

The 400-acre park, situated off Hall Lane, was the site of the Ormskirk Army Remount Depot, an army training ground for horses, during the 1914-18 war. It even had a dedicated railway branch line spur.

It was run by the 48th Remount Squadron, ASC.

Of course Skelmersdale didn't exist then, hence "Ormskirk".

Here's a link to find it: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=lathom+park&sll=54.162434,-3.647461&sspn=12.061421,29.619141&ie=UTF8&om=1&ll=53.576276,-2.807522&spn=0.011925,0.028925&z=15&iwloc=addr (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=lathom+park&sll=54.162434,-3.647461&sspn=12.061421,29.619141&ie=UTF8&om=1&ll=53.576276,-2.807522&spn=0.011925,0.028925&z=15&iwloc=addr)
Cheers,
Mark
Title: Re: Thomas Barclay Broomhall - Private
Post by: MBrockway on November 07, 2007, 01:30:17 PM
Of course, this might mean Thomas was transferred to the ASC Remount Service from the Manchesters?

Without an MIC or medal roll entries, we wouldn't easily pick this up.  :(
Cheers,
Mark
Title: Re: Thomas Barclay Broomhall - Private
Post by: MBrockway on November 07, 2007, 08:04:18 PM
More info that I have posted on the GWF ...

I've zoomed in on the picture of Pte Broomhall on the horse - see attachment.

Do those look like a wound stripe and a good conduct stripe?

Is there also a hint of another badge a little higher up the sleeve? Maybe crossed rifles?

If it is a wound stripe, that would suggest he did see some Action overseas - presumably Wound stripes were only awarded to injuries received at the hands of the enemy?

If he was Overseas, then we back with the conundrum about the missing MIC.  ???

Cheers,
Mark
Title: Re: Thomas Barclay Broomhall - Private
Post by: MBrockway on November 07, 2007, 08:08:13 PM
Here's some further info from The Long, Long Trail on the ASC Remounts Service
http://www.1914-1918.net/remounts.html (http://www.1914-1918.net/remounts.html)

It actually hangs off the ASC page harribobs linked to above, but didn't want you all to miss it. ;)
Cheers,
Mark
Title: Re: Thomas Barclay Broomhall - Private
Post by: harribobs on November 07, 2007, 09:56:23 PM


and if the earlier picture was 1924, why isn't he wearing the stripes then?  ???
Title: Re: Thomas Barclay Broomhall - Private
Post by: wendy on November 07, 2007, 10:56:58 PM
hey Chris,

Just got email back from the veterans site you gave me & unfortunately they are 'unable to help in the research of information of WW1 veterans'.  They gave me 3 other websites, 2 of which i've already had a look at with no joy.  The other one I managed to confirm what I already kinda new in that he died in 1967 in New Zealand.

Got to go out for a bit so will add to this & the other posts later...

Cheers, Wendy
Title: Re: Thomas Barclay Broomhall - Private
Post by: Wendi on November 08, 2007, 09:21:06 AM
and if the earlier picture was 1924, why isn't he wearing the stripes then?  ???

Perhaps they are not the same chap after all ??? 

Wound Stripes were only issued for an "injury caused by or arising from the enemy"

Wendi  :)
Title: Re: Thomas Barclay Broomhall - Private
Post by: harribobs on November 08, 2007, 09:46:33 AM
hey Chris,

Just got email back from the veterans site you gave me & unfortunately they are 'unable to help in the research of information of WW1 veterans'.  They gave me 3 other websites, 2 of which i've already had a look at with no joy.  The other one I managed to confirm what I already kinda new in that he died in 1967 in New Zealand.


did you specify that he served after 1922?  if you just said WW1 vet, they wouldn't be interested or able to help
Title: Re: Thomas Barclay Broomhall - Private
Post by: MBrockway on November 08, 2007, 10:28:23 AM


and if the earlier picture was 1924, why isn't he wearing the stripes then?  ???

I'll do some digging later in the day to see when Lathom Park Remounts Depot closed down.

That might help us pin this down more ... or maybe not  ;)
Cheers,
Mark