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Title: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Pete Th on April 27, 2010, 07:31:13 PM
A few months ago I suggested to mack that we should try and identify as many of the men on the photographs in the City Battalions book. I figured that if we all contributed we could put more names to faces. It turned out that mack had already carried out a lot of the leg work for this several years ago. With his permission I've copied his work into the below posts. Would anyone with additional names please contribute to the post?

Thanks in advance

16th Battalion

Bugle Band
sgt Thomas Burke (7171), front row 4th left
Capt/adj E.G Sotham, front row 5th left
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Pete Th on April 27, 2010, 07:34:22 PM
17th Battalion

Bugle Band
L/Cpl A. Hooley, 2nd row 1st right
2nd Lt R. F. Mansergh, 2nd row 1st left
Capt J.J. Whitehead, 2nd row 2nd left
RSM H. Coates, 2nd row 2nd right

A Coy, Platoon II
CQMS H. Waddington, 2nd row 4th left
2nd Lt W. R. Tonge, 2nd row 4th right
L/Sgt R. Harburn, 2nd row 2nd left
Sgt J. McMenemy, 2nd row 3rd right
Sgt C. Gould, 2nd row 3rd left

B Coy, Platoon V
Sergeant 8418 William S Butterworth, 2nd row, 6th left (killed in action 1st of July 1916 at Montauban).

B Coy, Platoon VI
Sgt P.H. Jones, 2nd row 4th right

B Coy, Platoon VII
Cpl W. Fox 3rd row 1st left
Cpl F.C. Bennington, 2nd row 3rd right

C Coy, Platoon I
Pte H. L. Bellamy, back row 1st left

C Coy, Platoon XI
Pte Reginald Frank Brereton, believed to be back row, 12th from left

D Coy, Platoon XIII
Pte George William Fidler (incorrectly named as JW Fiddler in book), back row 8th from left

D Coy, Platoon XV
Cpl P. Robinson, 2nd row 4th right
Pte J. Emerson, back row 4th left

D Coy, Platoon XVI
Cpl H. Palmer, 2nd row 1st left
Pte C. Critchlow, front row 6th right

E Coy, Platoon XVII
Lt T. Etchells, 2nd row 4th right
Cpl E. Walker, 3rd row 1st left
Cpl F. Mathews, 2nd row 2nd left
2nd Lt W.B. Purvis, 2nd row 5th left
CSM J. Gale, 2nd row 3rd right
CQMS P.J. McKellen, 2nd row 3rd left
L/Sgt J.C. Pinder, 2nd row 2nd left
Sgt H.J. Butler, 2nd row 2nd right

Supplementary Photo:
Private 9499 Walter Gibson, seated front row, second from the left (E Coy, Platoon XVII)

E Coy, Platoon XVIII
L/Sgt F.H Silcock, 2nd row 4th left
2nd Lt A.G. Cameron, 2nd row 4th right
Pte A. Hurst, back row 4th left

E Coy, Platoon XIX
Cpl J. Braznell, 2nd row 1st right [M/C Police]
Cpl S.A. Hughes, 2nd row 2nd right
2nd Lt B.B. Dowling, 2nd row 4th left

E Coy Platoon XX
Cpl J. Brierley, 2nd row 2nd left [M/C Police]
Cpl F.H. Sidwell, 2nd row 2nd right [M/C Police]
2nd Lt A.H. Hiller, 2nd row 4th right
Pte, Horace Raymond Hardman, 1st row 2nd left

Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Pete Th on April 27, 2010, 07:36:05 PM
18th Battalion

Bugle Band
Major H.A.S. Barkworth, front row 4th right
Sgt P. Ogden, front row 3rd right
Cpl H. Eastwood, front row 2nd right

A Coy, Platoon I
Sgt A.L. Friday, front row 3rd left
Capt C.H. Wylde, front row 4th left
Lt L. Renshaw, front row 4th right

A Coy, Platoon II
2nd Lt H.B Harrison, 2nd row 5th left

A Coy, Platoon III
Lt H.G.S. Bower, 2nd row 3rd right
Sgt H. Bowers, 2nd row 3rd left
Cpl H.  Branston, 2nd row 2nd right
L/Cpl R. Wiggans, 2nd row 2nd left

A Coy, Platoon IV
CQMS W.N. Waddicor, 2nd row 3rd left
2 L/T H.B. Harrison 2nd Row 3rd Right
C.S.M. Murnaghan 2nd Row 2nd Right
Cpl J. Walmesley 1st Row 4th Right

1st Supplementary Photo (18th Battalion, A Coy)
Pte Joseph Henry Henshall, 2nd row from the back, 4th right

B Coy, Platoon V
Lt W.P. Knowles, 2nd Row 3rd Right

B Coy, Platoon VII
L/CPL A. Fletcher, 1st row 1st left
Cpl N.N. Parry, 1st row 2nd left
Capt G. Lupton, 1st row 4th left
2nd Lt J.S. Beaumont, 1st row 3rd right

B Coy, Platoon VIII
2L/T T.J. Kelly, 2nd Row 3rd Right

C Coy, Platoon IX
Lt S.E. Woollam, 2nd Row 6th Right

C Coy, Platoon X
Lt P.A. Blythe, 2nd Row 4th Right

C Coy, Platoon XI
Captain G. Heathcote, 2nd Row 5th Right
Pte Albert Ingham, Back row 6th from right
Pte Alfred Longshaw, Back row 4th from right

C Coy, Platoon XII
Lt H.H. Crawshaw, 2nd Row 4th Right
Cpl E. Darbyshire, 3rd Row 4th Left

D Coy, Platoon XIII
2 L/T P.G.D. Haworth, 2nd Row 5th Right
L/Sgt W.B Davies 2nd Row 6th Right
Sgt J Connor Row2 4th Right
CQMS J Ralston Row1 1st Left (Standing)

D Coy, Platoon XIV
Lt H.G. Watson, 2nd Row 4th Right
Cpl W. Newton, 2nd Row 2nd Right

D Coy, Platoon XV
Pte F. Woodall, back row 4th right
CQMS J. Ralston, 2nd row 3rd left
2nd Lt A.A.F. Harris, 2nd row 4th left

D Coy, Platoon XVI
CSM G. Waite, front row 3rd left
Lt R. Hobkirk, front row 4th left

E Coy, Platoon XVII
L/Cpl Alex Stewart, Second row, 3rd from the right
CSM G. Evans, front row 4th left
Capt  W. Payne, front row 5th left
2nd Lt R.D. England, front row 4th right

E Coy, Platoon XVIII
2 L/T H.A. Powell, 1st Row 4th Right

E Coy, Platoon XIX
2 L/T R. Wallwork, 1st Row 5th Right
Sgt G.C. Neill, 1st Row 4th Right
Pte William Batchen Dunn, 1st person, 2nd row from top

E Coy, Platoon XX
2 L/T B.T.N. Tavare, 1st Row 5th Right
Sgt J. Cush, 1st Row 4th Right
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Pete Th on April 27, 2010, 07:37:26 PM
19th Battalion

Bugle Band
L/Sgt W.H. Harrison, front row 4th right
L/Cpl A. Wallwork, 2nd row 1st left

A Coy, Platoon I
Cpl, W.J. Wallis, 2nd row 5th left
Sgt H. Rothwell, 2nd row 6th left
Pte H.F. Moe, front row 4th left
Pte Osborne George Marsh MM, Back Row 9 (posted missing 31 July 1917)

A Coy Platoon II
Platoon sgt 11507 Leonard Charnock, 2nd row 4th left
Pioneer sgt 11565 Henry G. Hayes, 2nd row 7th left

A Company Platoon IV
Private 11720 Henry Leslie Birchall, 4th row, 5th from the left

B Coy Platoon V
Platoon sgt 12517 Frederick Walters, 2nd row 3rd right

B Coy, Platoon VI
Sgt C.E. Entwistle, 2nd row 3rd left
Cpl T. Ryder, 2nd row 2nd right
Pte J. Britten, 3rd row 6th left
Pte H. Pugh, back row 6th right
Pte W. Cotton, front row 5th left
Pte L. Robinson, front row 4th left
Pte E. Magee, back row 4th right
Pte W. Dawson, 3rd row 4th right
Pte E. Jones, back row 5th left
2nd Lt P. La T. Foster, 2nd row 3rd right
Pte W.S. Warden, 3rd row 3rd right
Pte O. Walker, front row 5th right
Pte W. Rothwell, row 6th left
Pte F. Smith, 3rd row 1st right
Pte T.H. Finch, 4th row 1st right
Pte T. Fury, back row 1st right

B Coy, Platoon VIII
Pte A.W. Andrews, back row 4th right
Cpl H.C. Leaver, 2nd row 2nd right
2nd Lt E.W. Mawdsley, 2nd row 5th left
Sgt  L.E. Wilson, 2nd row 4th left
CQMS G.W. Bush, 2nd row 6th left
L/Cpl Arthur Brandreth, 2nd row 2nd left
L/Cpl J. Harmaman, 2nd row 1st right
Pte 11734 W. Baillie, front row, 4th from left (believed to be)

D Coy, Platoon XIII
Pte W. T. Spragg, 19th D Com, Plat XIII, back row second right

D Coy, Platoon XIV
L/Cpl E. Briggs, 2nd row 3rd right
Pte E. Armsby, front row 1st right

E Coy, Platoon XVII
Pte 12790 William Henry Pinkstone, front row 6th from left

Note: the other sgt in B Company Platoon V is supposed to be L/sgt 11873 Francis George Lane [2nd row 3rd left] he was 23 yrs old, but this man looks a lot older than 23. Dubious.
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Pete Th on April 27, 2010, 07:38:41 PM
20th Battalion

Bugle Band
Pte W McLornon, middle row 4th left
Pte T [Truck] Marshall, middle row 4th right
Bandsman John Hallows, back row 4th left
Drummer John James Taylor, back row 2nd from right
Bandsman Harry Pimblett, front row 1st left
Sgt J Blacklock, front row 4th left
Cpl A.Burke, front row 4th right

A Coy, Platoon I
Cpl J W. Dalton, 2nd row 3rd right
2nd Lt W. McCulloch, 2nd row 6th right
Pte J Hallows, 3rd row 5th left
Pte Harry Pimblett, back row 3rd left
Pte Osborne George Marsh MM, Back Row 9 (posted missing 31 July 1917)

A Coy, Platoon III
Pte 17032 Arthur Patrick Burke, 3rd row, 4th from right
Cpl 17442 Thomas Nicholson,2nd row, 3rd right
Cpl 17395 John Francis Jones,2nd row, 4th right
Pte 17120 Frank Hill, back row, third from right

B Coy, Platoon V
CQMS Charles W. Lyons (17418), 2nd row 5th left
Cpl Frederick Ludgate (17416), 2nd row 4th right
L/Cpl 17338 James Fildes McGregor Dow, 2nd row from the front, 1st right
L/Cpl 17406 Bertram Leicester, 2nd row from the front, 2nd right
Pte William Edward Barber, front row, 7th from left (KIA 1st July 1916)
Pte James Coyle, 4th row, 5th from right
Sgt Simon Dunn (17340), 2nd row 6th righ

B Coy, Platoon VI
Cpl F.H. Clarke, 2nd row 4th left
Cpl J. Hellawell, 2nd row 5th left
2nd Lt, K.R. Binning, 2nd row 6th left

B Coy Platoon VII
Cpl  Martin Toogood (17510) 2nd row,4th left

C Coy Platoon IX
17730 RQMS J. Pittam, 2nd row 5th left
18386 CSM Albert H. Amor, 2nd row 6th left
17195 CQMS Albert Eli Phippen 2nd row 5th left (he was quite a soldier - enlisted 16th Nov 1914, promoted Cpl same day, promoted Sgt 1st Jan 1915, promoted CQMS 1st Feb 1915, he was ONLY 19 years old)

C Coy Platoon X
17772 Pte (later Sgt) John Thompson, 4th row (up), 4th from right

E Coy, Platoon XVII
CSM T. Clarke, 2nd row 4th left
CQMS R Howard, 2nd row 4th left
Cpl J. Paynting, 2nd row 2nd left
Cpl H. Osborne, 2nd row 3rd right

Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Pete Th on April 27, 2010, 07:40:35 PM
21st Battalion

Bugle Band
Sgt C. Yearsley, front row 6th right
L/Cpl H. Percival, front row 5th right

A Coy, Platoon III
2nd Lt A. Harris, 2nd row 6th right
Sgt W. Capper, 2nd row 5th right
Cpl A. E. Crossland, 2nd row 5th left

B Coy, Platoon V
Lt H. B. Swallow, 2nd row, 7th right

B Coy, Platoon VI
CSM F. Barlow, 2nd row 5th left
2nd Lt H.C Smith, 2nd row 6th left

B Coy, Platoon VII
Lt N.M. Carstairs, 2nd row 6th left
CQMS J. Stansfield, 2nd row 5th left

B Coy, Platoon VIII
Cpl J.E. Cotgrave, 2nd row 5th right
Lt H.E. Scott, 2nd row 7th left

B Coy, Platoon XIII
Cpl F.O. Makin, 2nd row 6th right

C Coy, Platoon XVII
2nd Lt A.S. Russell, 2nd row 6th right

D Coy, Platoon XIII
2nd Lt F.S. Scrutton, 2nd row 6th left

D Coy, Platoon XVI
Pte James Helme, 4th row 4th left

E Coy, Platoon XVII
Pte Herbert Birtles (19831), Back row far right

E Coy, Platoon XX
Cpl A. Chidley, 2nd row 3rd left
Sgt J. Fish, 2nd row 5th left

E Coy, Platoon XVII
Capt W.M. Marsden, 2nd row 6th left
CSM P. Cassin, 2nd row 4th right
CQMS J.W. Grimshaw, 2nd row 5th left
Sgt F. Johnson, 2nd row 4th left

E Coy, Platoon XVIII
Cpl J.H. Shuttleworth, 2nd row 3rd right
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Pete Th on April 27, 2010, 07:42:26 PM
22nd Battalion

22nd Bn NCOs
RSM John Hargreaves (21380), 2nd from back row, 7th from left (5th from right)

A Coy Platoon II
CQMS C. O. Cottrell, 2nd row 5th right
Cpl, F. Robinson, 2nd row 3rd left
2nd Lt J. W. Eaton, 2nd row 5th left

A Coy Platoon III
RSM John Hargreaves (21380), 2nd row from front, 5th from right
Sgt Joseph Nelson (20177), sat on right of officer

A Coy Platoon IV
Pte, W. Leyland (Incorrectly Layland) 4th row, far left
2nd Lt F A Harrison, 2nd row, 7th right (Platoon Commander)

B Coy, Platoon VII
L/Sgt G. Deardon, 2nd row 4th right
Cpl H. Hadfield, 2nd row 3rd right
Lt D.S. Murray, 2nd row 3rd left
Capt D. Murray, 2nd row 5th left
Pte Joe Lamb, 4th row 11th right

B Coy, Platoon VIII
CSM F. Davies, 2nd row 3rd left
Capt A. Bland, 2nd row 5th right

C Coy, Platoon IX
Cpl F. Torkington, 2nd row 4th left
Capt G.O. Ramsbottom, 2nd row 6th left
Lt W.B. Cushion, 2nd row 7th left

C Coy, Platoon X
CSM G. Vaughan, 2nd row 5th right
2nd Lt J.P.H. Wood, 2nd row 6th right

C Coy, Platoon XI
CQMS L.O. Till, 2nd row 4th right

C Coy, Platoon XII
Pte Gilbert A. Long, front row 1st right
Pte 21076 James Duffy MM, bottom row, far left

D Coy, Platoon XIII
Lt R. Mellor, 2nd row 5th left
Capt F.J. Earles, 2nd row 6th left
RSM J. Hughes, 2nd row 6th right
Cpl A. Gourley, 2nd row 2nd right [M/C Policeman]
Sig/Sgt T. Jackson, 2nd row 3rd right
Sgt A.E. Taylor, 2nd row 4th right [M/C Policeman]

D Coy, Platoon XVI
Pte Walter William Baker, 3rd row 6th left
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Pete Th on April 27, 2010, 07:43:34 PM
23rd Battalion

B Coy, Platoon XV
Pte J. Adams, 1st row 1st left

D Coy, Platoon XIII
Cpl 22365 Charles Young, 2nd Row, 2nd Left

E Coy, Platoon XVIII
Pte James Burke, middle row 2nd right
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: kingo on April 27, 2010, 09:46:30 PM
Just wondering if it might be better in it's own section on the site ?. An example; The bugle Band of the 18th Battalion.(Click to enlarge)

Major H.A.S Barkworth, Front Row 4th Right
Sergeant P. Ogden, Front Row 3rd Right
Corporal H. Eastwood, Front Row 2nd Right
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: mack on April 27, 2010, 11:56:15 PM
heres a couple more pete.

20th manchesters
B.coy VII platoon
cpl 17510 martin toogood 2nd row,4th left

C.coy IX platoon
17730 RQMS j.pittam 2nd row 5th left
18386 CSM albert,h amor 2nd row 6th left
17195 CQMS albert,eli phippen 2nd row 5th left,he was quite a soldier,he enlisted on the 16th nov 1914 and promoted to cpl the same day,then on the 1st jan 1915 he was promoted to sgt and on 1st feb 1915 he was promoted to CQMS,he was ONLY 19yrs old
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: mack on April 28, 2010, 12:02:19 AM
this one needs the opinion of others

sgt 17305 joseph burgoyne and L/cpl james,alfred burgoyne were brothers,they were both in B.coy VI platoon.
can anyone spot the resemblance between a sgt and L/cpl in the picture

mack ;D
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: tisgrannie on April 28, 2010, 07:34:11 AM
What a great piece of work. Well done Pete and it goes without saying mack. What a work horse he is. A great resource that hopefully will grow and grow.
best wishes
tis
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Pete Th on April 28, 2010, 08:58:11 AM
James Taylor, Alfred Rogerson and John James Taylor are all on the 20th Battalion B Coy Platoon V 17th Battalion, D Coy, Platoon XIII photo but I can't see them. I'll put their photos on the site and see if anyone with better eyes than me can spot them.

Cheers
Pete
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Pete Th on April 28, 2010, 08:59:06 AM
James Taylor
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: themonsstar on April 28, 2010, 08:59:23 AM
Great to see Macks old work coming back up, Cheers Peter .



"can anyone spot the resemblance between a sgt and L/cpl in the picture"

Just for you Mack, the Sgt has three tapes the L/Cpl has one tape  ;D 8)


I will get my coat
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: kingo on April 28, 2010, 10:04:52 AM
18th Battalion

B Company

5 Platoon
Lt W.P Knowles Row 2 3rd Right

8 Platoon
2L/T T.J Kelly Row 2 3rd Right

C Company

9 Platoon
Lt S.E Woollam Row2 6th Right

10 Platoon
Lt P.A Blythe Row2 4th Right

11 Platoon
Captain G Heathcote Row 2 5th Right

12 Platoon
Lt H.H Crawshaw Row 2 4th Right
Cpl E Darbyshire Row 3 4th Left

D Company


13 Platoon
2 L/T P.G.D Haworth 2nd Row 5th Right

14 Platoon
Lt H.G Watson Row 2 4th Right
Cpl W Newton Row 2 2nd Right

E Company

18 Platoon
2 L/T H.A Powell Row 1 4th Right
Pte Alfred Hardy Sellers 3rd Row 1st Left

19 Platoon
2 L/T R Wallwork Row 1 5th Right
Sgt G.C Neill Row 1 4th Right

20 Platoon
2 L/T B.T.N Tavare Row 1 5th Right
Sgt J Cush Row 1 4th Right





Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: mack on April 28, 2010, 10:37:39 AM
Great to see Macks old work coming back up, Cheers Peter .



"can anyone spot the resemblance between a sgt and L/cpl in the picture"

Just for you Mack, the Sgt has three tapes the L/Cpl has one tape  ;D 8)


I will get my coat
i asked for that roy ;D ;D

mack ;D
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: mack on April 28, 2010, 10:41:53 AM
19th battalion
A.coy II platoon
platoon sgt 11507 leonard charnock 2nd row 4th left
pioneer sgt 11565 henry,g hayes 2nd row 7th left
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: kingo on April 28, 2010, 11:17:44 AM
Another couple-life long friends who both died on the same day and in the same manner. (Click on photo to enlarge)
18th Battalion

C Company, 11 Platoon

Pte Albert Ingham Rear Row 6th from the right
Pte Alfred Longshaw-Rear Row 4th from the right

http://www.flickr.com/photos/manchester-regiment/2533975777/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/manchester-regiment/2533975777/)
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: mack on April 28, 2010, 01:23:21 PM
20th manchesters B.coy V platoon

CQMS 17418 charles,w lyons 2nd row 5th left
sgt 17340 simon dunn 2nd row 6th right
cpl 17416 frederick ludgate 2nd row 4th right
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: mack on April 28, 2010, 02:11:29 PM
16th batt bugle band
sgt 7171 thomas burke front row 4th left
capt/adj e.g sotham front row 5th left
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Pete Th on May 06, 2010, 08:30:56 AM
22 Battalion, A Company, Platoon III listing updated to include RSM John Hargreaves (thanks mhargreaves).

Cheers
Pete
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: mack on May 06, 2010, 08:56:01 AM
22662 james adams, 23rd batt,D.coy XV platoon,front row,1st left
RORS 19162 phillip,edward jenkins,21st batt,C.coy,X platoon,2nd row,5th right
21202 joseph lamb,22nd batt,B.coy,VII platoon,2nd row from the top,3rd left
8138 john farrow,17th batt,B.coy,VIII platoon,2nd row,2nd right
17795 harry westerman,20th batt,C.coy,IX platoon,middle row,4th right
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Mark Hone on May 15, 2010, 12:33:00 PM
Private Ernest Armsbey's great-nephew, my Deputy Head at school (soon to retire!), would be delighted to see his uncle depicted in the Book of Honour. Could I be cheeky and ask if anyone has a good definition version of the photograph that I could copy and perhaps include as part of his retirement present? He has accompanied me on all 17 of my school battlefield tours, during which time we have visited Ernest Armsbey's grave at Carnoy Cemetery twice.
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Pete Th on May 15, 2010, 01:29:53 PM
Hi Mark, there is only one Armsbey, E on the CWGC (19th Bn) so this must be him. The City Battalions has an Armsby, E 12285 (same battalion, but different spelling and service no). I assume he is the same man? Private Armsby, E. served in the 19th Battalion, D Company, 14 Platoon. His CWGC details are as follows:

Name: ARMSBEY
Initials: E
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Manchester Regiment
Unit Text: 19th Bn.
Date of Death: 31/05/1916
Service No: 12259
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: H. 21.
Cemetery: CARNOY MILITARY CEMETERY

I'll ask one of the members if they can email you a copy of D Company, Platoon 14, 19th Battalion.

Cheers
Pete
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Pete Th on May 15, 2010, 01:43:25 PM
Added RSM John Hargreaves to 22nd Bn NCOs and corrected his position on 22nd Bn A Coy Platoon III.
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: kingo on May 15, 2010, 02:44:52 PM
Mark, Best i could do. Some of the photos came out better than others. (Click to enlarge)
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Mark Hone on May 15, 2010, 03:05:38 PM
That's undoubtedly him, first on the right, front row. He's the spitting image of my colleague's dad. As I say we have visited the grave at Carnoy on a couple of occasions but I don't think that the family has a surviving photo of him. How did you identify him?
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Pete Th on May 15, 2010, 03:16:31 PM
Mark, mack should be able to answer. I'm sure he'll be along soon ;D
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Mark Hone on May 15, 2010, 03:34:57 PM
Thanks very much. I'll use the posted version if necessary, but if anyone does have a higher resolution image of the picture which they could e-mail to me, I'd be very grateful. My friend is planning to viist the grave again with his wife this Summer and the photo would make a very fitting surprise retirement present.
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: mack on May 15, 2010, 11:44:18 PM
hiya mark.
some time ago,you were also looking for the details of one of your pupils relatives,pte l.platt,i have just found this info about him,sorry its a bit late

pte 12179 laurence platt
enlisted 9th sept 1914
aged 19
19th manchesters
born at 19 henrietta st,higher broughton
lived at 22 back roman rd,higher broughton
worked as a provisions clerk at messrs coddington+lamb,35 peter st,manchester
went to france on 8-11-15
he was discharged as physically unfit on 4-11-1918 with a nervous breakdown due to shellshock,he was sent to the 3rd scottish gen hospital,glasgow and then admitted to the royal victorian hospital,edinburgh on 19th july 1918
in 1918 he was living at wayside cottage,arnside st,westmorland,in 1935 he was living with his wife and family at "hillcrest" sandyway,butterstile rd,prestwich
awarded SWB No43519 and kings certificate 63/244 on 1-5-19
he took reciept of his 1915 star on 14-4-21 and his war+victory medals on 29-10-21

mack ;D

Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: mack on May 16, 2010, 06:04:44 AM
That's undoubtedly him, first on the right, front row. He's the spitting image of my colleague's dad. As I say we have visited the grave at Carnoy on a couple of occasions but I don't think that the family has a surviving photo of him. How did you identify him?
hiya mark.
sorry to cast doubt about ernest,i always had a suspicion that he was the man in the front row,1st left

mack ;D
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Mark Hone on May 16, 2010, 07:09:45 AM
Thanks, Mack. In reply 3, at the start of this thread, Pete identifies him as 1st right on the front row (I assume he means right as we are looking at the photo, not 'stage right' as it were; that often causes confusion in itself) . As I say the chap there does look like my friend's dad, Ernest Armsbey's nephew but then we are apt to look for such likenesses. For example, the lollipop lady at school once looked at a picture my wife showed him of her son and she immediately said that he looked just like me, not realising that he is my step-son!
I'd be interested to know where the original identification came from.
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Pete Th on May 16, 2010, 12:37:49 PM
Mark, for the best quality print it's worth paying £4.25 to purchase the book on CD (pdf format):

http://www.bookshop.mlfhs.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=21&zenid=f33eb24d70440ff3a6548219f2494ca3

Cheers
Pete
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Mark Hone on May 16, 2010, 12:49:58 PM
Thanks, I'll do that.
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: mack on May 16, 2010, 01:48:53 PM
Thanks, Mack. In reply 3, at the start of this thread, Pete identifies him as 1st right on the front row (I assume he means right as we are looking at the photo, not 'stage right' as it were; that often causes confusion in itself) . As I say the chap there does look like my friend's dad, Ernest Armsbey's nephew but then we are apt to look for such likenesses. For example, the lollipop lady at school once looked at a picture my wife showed him of her son and she immediately said that he looked just like me, not realising that he is my step-son!
I'd be interested to know where the original identification came from.
hiya mark.
ernest was ID by someone on the great war forum many years ago,cant recall who sent me the info

mack ;D
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: timberman on May 16, 2010, 03:50:58 PM
Hi Mark

This is the best I can do. (1st right)

Click on the picture to make it bigger

Timberman
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: timberman on May 16, 2010, 04:01:46 PM
and the one 1st left

Click on the picture to make it bigger

Timberman
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: mack on May 17, 2010, 04:12:29 AM
great work neil,now that they have been enlarged,i can see that ernest is the soldier on the right

mark
was ernests parents andrew+mary your colleagues gt grandparents
andrew was buried in southern cemetery on 10-4-1919 and mary was buried on 30-1-1923 they are both in S.CE.391,also buried with them is their daughter louisa,victoria,who was interred on 15-1-1941

mack ;D
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Mark Hone on May 17, 2010, 06:35:08 AM
Mack-I'll tell you in due course. I assume so, but I don't want to tip off my friend by asking him genealogical questions before giving him his present!
Incidentally another great-uncle of his was Private Willie Dickson of 16th Battalion who was killed on 1st July and is commemorated on Thiepval. He hasn't been identified on the platoon photos by any chance?
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: mack on May 17, 2010, 07:48:12 AM
Mack-I'll tell you in due course. I assume so, but I don't want to tip off my friend by asking him genealogical questions before giving him his present!
Incidentally another great-uncle of his was Private Willie Dickson of 16th Battalion who was killed on 1st July and is commemorated on Thiepval. He hasn't been identified on the platoon photos by any chance?
sadly he hasnt mark
i have this if its of help.

pte 7437 william dickson
enlisted 20-2-15
aged 19
16th manchesters
E.coy.XIX platoon
occupation,time keeper
son of william+mary 7 byrom st,broadway,salford
later moved to 58 tharlow st,eccles new rd
to france 8-11-15
admitted to the 97th field ambulance on 9-6-16 then to the 96th field ambulance the following day with scabies,rejoined his battalion on 25-6-16
killed in action 1-7-16

mack ;D
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Mark Hone on May 17, 2010, 03:34:14 PM
Thanks, Mack. I keep threatening to trawl the local papers in Salford to see if there's an obit and photograph of him, but I haven't done so thus far. Interesting about Laurence Platt as well. Thanks for all your help.
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: timberman on May 17, 2010, 09:46:52 PM
Glad it help Mack ;D

Timberman
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Russ on May 19, 2010, 07:43:42 PM
Hi

23rd Battalion D Company 13th Platoon.

Corporal 22365 Charles Young 2nd Row 2nd Left.

Russ  :)
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Pete Th on May 19, 2010, 08:55:22 PM
Thanks Russ, I've updated the 23rd Battalion listing.

Cheers
Pete 8)
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Mark Hone on May 23, 2010, 08:41:24 AM
Doubtless this has been covered before, but where were all the platoon photos taken at Heaton Park?
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: angelab on June 01, 2010, 03:06:03 AM
I must be being a bit thick about this...
Where are the photographs that you are all ID-ing?

Angela
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: kingo on June 01, 2010, 08:24:12 AM
Angela, The photos are from the book "City Battalions" and are a record of the Pals Battalions with photographs. We think they were taken sometime in early 1915 at Heaton Park. The Men on the photos are named-but not in any order-so we are attempting to identify as many as we can, by various means and put a name to a face on the photographs. The Platoon photo for W.B Bagshaw is attached (Thats him in the middle of the second row) and H.S Bagshaw is in the next post. Have you seen these before ? (Click on photo to enlarge)
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: kingo on June 01, 2010, 08:25:25 AM
H.S Bagshaw (One of the two Officers in the second row)
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: angelab on June 01, 2010, 11:48:15 AM
Hi Kingo,

Great to see those pix!  Yes, I think I have seen them before - many years ago when I contacted the Museum and they must have sent me photocopies.  But I had forgotten about them.

Gosh, my grandfather, William, looks SO young in that first photo.
Unfortunately, I cannot be absolutely sure which is Horace Bagshaw in the second one - so am not much help with the ID.  He never married, so there are no direct descendents to remember him or to have kept photos of him. The only pic I have is the one on this page http://www.angelabird.plus.com/bagshawsindex.htm where I believe him to be the one standing at the back.

Would it be permissable for me to add these two battalion photos to the webpages I have done on William and Horace (reached via the above link)?   I would quite understand if not, of course, as I guess they are the Regiment's copyright.

Angela
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: kingo on June 01, 2010, 11:52:50 AM
Angela, Feel free to use the photo's-they are scanned from the book (of which i have a copy) and are not copyrighted.
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: angelab on June 01, 2010, 01:13:39 PM
Thanks so much, Kingo.  I know my Vancouver relatives (descendants of the third Bagshaw brother, who also went to Canada) will be most interested to see them. 
I have really done the website for them, to keep them all up to speed with my researches.

Angela
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: angelab on June 04, 2010, 08:23:33 PM
Kingo,
I have just uploaded the two images to the relevant pages of my Bagshaw mini-site.  Many thanks again for them.

I see that I have noted from the officer files at the NA, for William B Bagshaw:
"3 March 1915, Posted to 20th Battalion Manchester Regiment. Lieutenant in D Company; commander of 15th Platoon."
Not sure if this is info already known to you, but I presume that is the group that we see in the photo.

For Horace S Bagshaw, I did not find so much detail at the NA:
"3 March 1915, Posted to 20th Battalion Manchester Regiment. Second Lieutenant."
But I do not know to what company or platoon.  Do you?
Maybe he was 2nd in command to the guy next to him in the pic?
Having studied the photo, I am pretty sure that Horace Bagshaw is the officer on the left.  He has the right-shaped face, and also has that look from under his brows, as in the other images on my page for him, even from childhood  http://www.angelabird.plus.com/hsbagshaw.htm .

Angela


Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: kingo on June 04, 2010, 08:55:05 PM
Hi Angela, They were my thoughts exactly  :). He has a look of his Brother. Horace was the Platoon Commander of 5 Platoon, B Company (See attached nominal roll). The other Officer on the photo is Lt W. C Cooper.
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: kingo on June 04, 2010, 09:14:44 PM
Angela, Attached is the Officers of the 20th Battalion. William and Horace are on this one too !.Also on this photo (Middle row, 3rd from the right) is Captain H.J. Knight, a Boer War recipient of the Victoria Cross-so they were in good company !.
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: angelab on June 04, 2010, 11:09:42 PM
Thanks, Kingo.

Gosh, the ID is a bit tricky with the officers' photo.  I think one of mine - ?William - could be back row, 4th from right.  Maybe the other is the one centre of back row.  Would not like to put money on it, though.
Horace was apparently nicknamed "Shorts" - "because of his height".  Now, I don't know if that means he was short, or whether it would be ironic, because he was tall!
[EDIT:  Just remembered that I had copied the brothers' physical info on enlistment from the Officer files at the NA:
William was 5ft 8.5in tall, haven't noted his weight; Horace 5ft 10.5in tall and weighed 144lb - so the taller tof the two, and fairly thin perhaps. Maybe Horace is 4th from right, back row, and William in the centre?  END EDIT]

Wow, Captain HJ Knight does look as if he is made of stern stuff.

Angela
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: harribobs on June 13, 2010, 08:10:02 PM
we will be expanding this project shortly!! ;)
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: harribobs on June 24, 2010, 12:21:34 AM
hi folks

as i said we have expanded this thread into it's own project

each section of the books 16th to 23rd and the oldham battalion 24th now has it's own photos and lists posted

please feel free to use this thread for discussion or go to the dedicated page in the project

pals photo project (http://themanchesters.org/forum/index.php?board=42.0)

chris
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Mark Hone on July 10, 2010, 01:11:44 PM
My colleague, the great-nephew of Ernest Armsbey (4th City) and Willie Dickson (1st City), retired this week. At the retirement dinner I presented him with framed photographs of the two mens' platoons, with Ernest Armsbey identified thanks to the contributors to this forum. It was a complete surprise and to say that he was overwhelmed would be an understatement. He is now on holiday in Belgium and France and will be visiting (for the first time with his wife rather than on one of our school tours) Carnoy where Ernest is buried and Thiepval where Willie Dickson is commemorated. Thank you once again for all your help.
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Pete Th on July 11, 2010, 11:20:18 AM
Mark, fantastic result. Thanks for sharing.

best regards
Pete

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: nigel on August 02, 2010, 10:57:55 AM
Hi Pete

19thBn A Company Platoon 1

Back Row 9

Osborne George Marsh MM

posted missing 31 July 1917
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Pete Th on August 02, 2010, 09:32:38 PM
Thanks Nigel. I've added Osborne to the list.

Cheers
Pete  ;D
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Frank25 on August 09, 2010, 10:49:08 PM
Hi

I am unsure if my grand farther Albert Kendrick (26307) would be in the photos of the 17th Batt.

He enlisted on the 5th June 1915, Transferred to the 17th Battalion on the 30th August and I believe he went to France on the 10th March 1916

Would you be able to tell me his company and platoon?

Regards

Frank
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: patnel on September 01, 2010, 10:15:43 PM
Hi Folks

22nd Batt, 7th City Pals, A Coy, III Platoon, the sgt. sat on the right of the officer is my |Great-Grandfather, Sgt Joseph Nelson (20177).

Enlisted on 27th November 1914, lived at 62 Branson St, Holt Town, Ancoats.  Transferered to Labour Corps, date unknown.

Cheers, Patrick
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Pete Th on September 02, 2010, 09:06:36 AM
Hi Patrick, Joseph Nelson added to list of 22nd Bn.

Cheers
Pete  ;)
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Pete Th on September 02, 2010, 09:44:03 PM
Hi

I am unsure if my grand farther Albert Kendrick (26307) would be in the photos of the 17th Batt.

He enlisted on the 5th June 1915, Transferred to the 17th Battalion on the 30th August and I believe he went to France on the 10th March 1916

Would you be able to tell me his company and platoon?

Regards

Frank

Hi Frank, he's isn't on any of the photographs in the City Battalions Books. He must have enlisted later than the photos were taken or transferred from elsewhere. There are two A. Kendricks listed in the "Rolls of Honour of some Manchester Firms and Institutions". These list the men of some of the city's firms who served in HM Forces. The first A. Kendrick worked for the United Yeast Company Limited, Manchester, and the other for Bradford Colleries, Manchester. Could one of these be your grandfather?

Hope this helps

Cheers
Pete
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Frank25 on September 04, 2010, 04:18:28 PM
Pete

Other than being in the Manchesters and fighting in the first war I know nothing about his life prior to enlisting.  He may well of entered via a firm or institute I have no knowledge of his working life pre 1915.

I believe he enlisted on the 5th June 1915 and transferred to the 17th Battalion on the 30th August. Is this to late a date to appear on the photos in the identity project.

His number is 26307 A.W Kendrick if you have any detail on which company and platoon he was in that would be very helpful.

Thank you for all the help.

Regards



Frank
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Pete Th on September 13, 2010, 09:33:07 PM
Hi Frank, sorry for the late response. The photos were probably taken in early 1915 so he wouldnt have been on the photos. I don't know which company/platoon he was with, sorry.

Regards
Pete
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: roy thomson on October 31, 2010, 08:40:41 PM
17th Battalion - C Company - XI Platoon

I think from the photos I've posted on the RF Brereton thread below, that he is the 12th man in the back row of the platoon photo.   

Cheers,

Roy
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Pete Th on November 01, 2010, 12:29:56 PM
17th Battalion - C Company - XI Platoon

I think from the photos I've posted on the RF Brereton thread below, that he is the 12th man in the back row of the platoon photo.   

Cheers,

Roy

Thanks Roy, I've updated the list

Cheers
Pete  ;D
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: mike51 on November 22, 2010, 02:12:39 PM
    22nd Battalion   ' C ' Company  Platoon No. 12

    21076 Private James Duffy

   My Grandfather is bottom row, far left.
 This is a great project. Well done.
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Pete Th on November 22, 2010, 10:03:29 PM
Hi Mike, I've updated the list to include your grandfather. Thank you for passing on his details.

Cheers
Pete  ;D
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: paulh on January 21, 2011, 06:48:50 PM
17th Btn B company Platoon 5.

2nd row (seated) sixth from left is 8418 William S Butterworth. In the photo, he is a corporal. Promoted to sergeant, he was killed in action on the 1st of July 1916 leading his platoon at Montauban.

Lest we forget.

Paul
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Pete Th on January 21, 2011, 10:16:55 PM
Hi Paul, I've added William to the list.

Thank you very much

Pete
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Pinky Manchesters on March 08, 2011, 10:09:42 PM
19 Battalion
B Company
Platoon VIII
Believe Front Row 4 from the left hand side is W Baillie 11734

Best friend of A Robinson also somewhere in this picture.

Both mentioned in Albert William Andrews account  Orders are Orders A Manchester Pal on the Somme on page 29 and 30.  They had been charged with wearing their ear flaps down in Jan 1916.  A few days later they were called to Batt HQ at Bronfay Farm.  As they awaited their charge my Grandfather, Baillie's first cousin was close by watching the effects of an order to shell the German lines.  The response was a bombardment of Bronfay Farm in which Baillie was killed instantly and Robinson lay dying.  My Grandfather ran to the Guard House and took his cousins watch which is still in the family today.  The Baillie's had 3 sons all who died in WW1 with no survivors.  Fortunately my Grandfather survived until the 80's.  Some of his memories were captured by a local school but not sure if these recordings have survived.

Both buried at Chippilly Cemetary laid to rest side by side.  2 soldiers killed at the guard house are mentioned in the Regimental Records but the date is not in sync with the time this occurred.  + / - 3 ish days.

19 Battalion
E Company
Platoon XVII

William Henry Pinkstone
12790
Front Row 6 from the left hand side
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Pete Th on June 01, 2011, 04:42:45 PM
Hi, I've updated the 19th Bn info (Baillie/Pinkstone). Sorry it's taken so long.

Regards
Pete
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: 26horse on November 10, 2011, 04:57:28 PM
 :) My grandfather in on the 22nd Manchester Battalion 15th (XV) Platoon D company picture he is Henry Youd service number 20967. Looking at the picture from the right he is second row from the back and third in from the right.
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Pinky Manchesters on January 23, 2012, 07:46:37 PM
Thank you

Today marks the day Willie Baillie and A Robinson were KIA 23 January 1916 by Bronfay Farm.  (Regimental War diary indicates it was 21 not 23 - 2 men KIA by Guard House.) This was witnessed by my Grandfather William Henry Pinkstone.  Baillie and Robinson lay side by side in Chipilly cemetary.

John
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: mack on January 23, 2012, 09:16:52 PM
the diary is wrong about the date,the battalion came out of the front line at midnight,on 20th january and got into bray around 2am the following morning,after a few hours sleep the battalion was told off for fatigues,baillie+robinson were on fatigues when they were told to report to battalion HQ at bronfay farm,they were caught by a shell while waiting outside the HQ

mack ;D
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Tim Bell on December 24, 2012, 06:00:31 PM
Hi Mack,

Please can we start 17th Battalion A Company III Platoon...

2nd Lt R F Mansergh (Awarded MC August 1916)

2nd Row. 4th from right.

I have good photo of My Grandad A A Bell, but can't spot him in the image. I will keep trying

Tim
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Tim Bell on January 04, 2013, 04:01:31 PM
Can you identify Sergeant Major C Johnson?  He was CQMS in C Company of 17th Manchesters.

Tim
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: mack on January 04, 2013, 06:00:10 PM
hiya tim.
CQMS 8196 charles johnson is the youngest of the two senior NCOs in IX platoon C.coy,4th right,he was promoted to this rank on 7th march 1915,he later became CSM on 1-10-15 in place of CSM a.haymes.
he suffered multiple wounds on 10th/11th july 1916 in trones wood,in left foot,face,hands and thigh,worked as a printed cloth salesman at tootal,broadhurst+lee,enlisted 2-9-14 aged 22,discharged from norwich war hospital on 18-2-18[SWB No 330218] and went to live at dunston hill,weston super mare,parents thomas+mary

mack ;D
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Tim Bell on January 04, 2013, 07:44:16 PM
Hi Mack,

Thanks for this.

My report of his rescue from Trones suggests CQMS Johnson was a big bloke.  'He - the S.M. - was a very big man.'  I tried to post a photo, but couldn't work it out...

The man 4th from right looks to short and not fat enough to be my man.  What about the tall man next to him, 5th right?

Apparently, Lt. Miller, Pt. Bell and some South African troops rescued him at Trones Wood.  I'd like to be sure of facts, so much as I can.  The record of his injuries is new to me.  Is there a resource I am missing?

Tim
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Wendi on January 13, 2013, 04:01:56 PM
I tried to post a photo, but couldn't work it out...

Hi Tim,

This might help How to attach a photo to a tread (http://themanchesters.org/forum/index.php?topic=682.0)

Wendi  ;)
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: mack on January 13, 2013, 05:12:10 PM
Hi Mack,

Thanks for this.

My report of his rescue from Trones suggests CQMS Johnson was a big bloke.  'He - the S.M. - was a very big man.'  I tried to post a photo, but couldn't work it out...

The man 4th from right looks to short and not fat enough to be my man.  What about the tall man next to him, 5th right?

Apparently, Lt. Miller, Pt. Bell and some South African troops rescued him at Trones Wood.  I'd like to be sure of facts, so much as I can.  The record of his injuries is new to me.  Is there a resource I am missing?

Tim
sorry tim
i wasnt counting the man who,s detatched from the rest of the row,which means CSM johnson is 5th from right if we count him in

mack ;D

Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Tim Bell on January 14, 2013, 01:24:13 PM
Thanks to Mack and Wendi,

Here is CMS Johnson on the left of the photo.

Tim
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Redrand on June 05, 2013, 08:17:39 PM
20th Battalion Manchester regiment (5th City Pals)

C Company, Platoon X

Second row (up) 6th from left

William Edward Hornsby 17658 Sergeant, Machine Gun Corps

My Great Grandfather, was shot in leg on the Somme near Mametz, returned to UK and became instructor at Ripon
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Robert Bonner on September 30, 2013, 08:12:45 PM
In the Manchester Regiment Image Archive are a number of photographs of officers of the 16th Bn. Most are identified but there are a number that are not.  It would be very helpful if members of the forum could identify some of these.

They all have the prefix MRO and the ones in question are: 0698,0699, 0700, 0701 & 0702 (the same man?), 0703, 0704, 0705, 0706, 2758, 2805, 2830 & 2831.
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: mack on September 30, 2013, 09:03:41 PM
hiya robert.
i have looked at 2758 many times,dont you think he has a strong resemblance to capt megson.

mack ;D
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Robert Bonner on October 06, 2013, 05:09:34 PM
Mack.

You are quite correct.  It is Captain Megson - the bn signals officer.
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Tim Bell on November 02, 2013, 11:02:09 AM
Hi Mack,

Please can we start 17th Battalion A Company III Platoon...

2nd Lt R F Mansergh (Awarded MC August 1916)

2nd Row. 4th from right.

I have good photo of My Grandad A A Bell, but can't spot him in the image. I will keep trying

Tim

I have now picked up a Hi- Res pic of III Platoon
Pt A A Bell Front Row 3rd from right
Sgt James Turner 2nd row. KiA 1/7/1916. 5th from right next to 2/Lt Mansergh (See MEN 17/7/1916)
L/Sgt H. Dixon 2nd row 2nd from left.  No known overseas service. Only man tram guards uniform and apparent 'older' age explains likelihood he stayed in Home Service or discharged.

Sergeant James D Turner 8903 was the second Sergeant from III Platoon to be killed in action on the 1st July.  The Salford Reporter* recounted a letter received by James’ wife from another man in his Platoon.  This indicated he was reviewing sentry positions in Montauban when he was killed by a German shell; the shell also wounded one other man. Sergeant Turner had worked at Messrs. Haslams, Piccadily and lived at 15 Allen Street, Lower Broughton, Salford – in the same Salford suburb as Mark Jackson(the 1st Sgt. to die).  Aged 35, James left behind his widow Elizabeth and Daughter Marjorie.    Elizabeth and other family members commemorated James in the 1st anniversary edition of the Manchester Evening News.  Elizabeth wrote:-
“My memory often wanders, as the shadows fall,
Back to the days of happiness. Days beyond recall
Bravely he fought and fell.”
Sergeant Turner’s brother and sister in law, Sarah and Jack, also provided a poetic tribute:-
“In silent hours we think of you
And of all your pain
But in the land that no sorrow comes,
We hope to meet again.”
James was an accomplished musician and member of the Central Hall Prize Band.  He was also a member of Swan Swimming Club.

Updated again in context of Harribobs Memorial Plaque.
Updated with H Dixon 6.11.13
*Courtesy SWARM
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: harribobs on November 02, 2013, 12:39:38 PM

Sgt James Turner 2nd row. KiA 1/7/1916. 5th from right next to 2/Lt Mansergh (See MEN 17/7/1916)

I do believe I have Sgt Turner's Death Plaque, I certainly have a James Turner's plaque and the people I bought it from assured me that is is his

chris
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Tim Bell on November 07, 2013, 08:47:03 PM
17th Bttn A Coy CSM John H Green from I Pln photo
Unconfirmed
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Julia955 on July 01, 2016, 05:20:42 PM
  My grandfather
   
   Charles Pawsey   21st Manchester Regiment   Company B   Platoon no V
   roll number   18967
   Charles was a Corporal when he arrived in France on 10.11.1915 and a Seargent on his British war/ Victory medal. Transferred to reserve as fit on 24.1.1919.     He survived the war.

He is dead centre of the smaller pic.  2nd row up, 4th from the right , sitting.
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Julia955 on July 01, 2016, 05:23:19 PM
looks like 2nd pic didn't upload
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: yowdoo on July 15, 2016, 03:24:04 PM
Hi,


CQMS R Howard, 2nd row 4th left
[/quote]

My Paternal grandfather, Reginald Sinclair Howard, 7537, Colour Sergeant, King's Own (Royal Lancaster) Regiment and 25648, Company Quartermaster Sergeant, Manchester Regiment.

If anybody has any further info on this soldier I'd be eternally grateful.

Best Regards,

David R. Howard
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: mack on July 15, 2016, 08:26:39 PM
he has a very detailed pension record on ancestry,theres not much we can add to that david

mack
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: OrsoGrande on July 24, 2016, 02:36:48 PM
Greetings!

Any reason why the 26th Reserve Battalion, Manchester Regiment, formed 1915, are not present on the photo' boards?

Were they considered less photogenic than other battalions?

Regards

OG
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Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: PhilipG on July 31, 2016, 10:16:23 AM
OrsoGrande,

I am sure the omission was neither intended nor implied, but rather that the City Battalions Book failed to include photographs of the 26th battalion.   Had it done so, I am sure we would all have been captivated by the photogenic qualities of that battalion, which you have hinted would inevitably have been the case.    Best regards, PhilipG.
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Cookie on October 09, 2018, 09:06:53 AM
A few months ago I suggested to mack that we should try and identify as many of the men on the photographs in the City Battalions book. I figured that if we all contributed we could put more names to faces. It turned out that mack had already carried out a lot of the leg work for this several years ago. With his permission I've copied his work into the below posts. Would anyone with additional names please contribute to the post?

Thanks in advance

16th Battalion

Bugle Band
sgt Thomas Burke (7171), front row 4th left
Capt/adj E.G Sotham, front row 5th left
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Tim Bell on October 07, 2019, 07:04:27 PM
17th Btn B company Platoon 5.

2nd row (seated) sixth from left is 8418 William S Butterworth. In the photo, he is a corporal. Promoted to sergeant, he was killed in action on the 1st of July 1916 leading his platoon at Montauban.

Lest we forget.

Paul
The other Cpl was Manchester Policeman James Appleyard - stood on extreme right of imagem wearing the navy uniform.  There's a portrait photo of him in the Police section.
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Tim Bell on October 08, 2019, 01:45:26 PM
XIV Pln 17th Bttn
Cpl 8197 Mark Jackson second row from front, seated 8th from left.
Promoted Sgt and killed by sniper at Montauban on 1st July 1916.
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Gary D. on July 15, 2020, 10:35:33 AM
My Grandfather 7451 Leonard Dawson was in 16th Btn, E Coy, XX Platoon. If this project is still ongoing any chance of a relevant unit photo being posted on the site? There is a chance I MAY be able to I/D him for your records. As I live in Australia I have not easy access to publications.Thanks in anticipation.
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Amelia on September 30, 2020, 04:35:36 PM
C Coy Platoon X
17772 Pte (later Sgt) John Thompson, 4th row (up), 4th from right

My Grandfather John Thompson. Some Photographs for your collection (I tried to post this before, so I apologies if it has posted twice?)
Title: Re: City Battalions - Photo Identity Project
Post by: Pete Th on September 30, 2020, 06:52:57 PM
Brilliant, thanks Amelia