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Title: military medal winners [update]
Post by: tonyrod on October 24, 2007, 11:32:09 AM
hi, i am researching the roll of honour in my local club  in BLACKPOOL and found        J KIRKHAM MM
I AM TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT ONE, FROM 3  I AM LOOKING AT                   are  pte 25232 Joseph kirkham  25th kings Liverpool  LG 14-5-1919
PTE 2415 J KIRKHAM R.LANCS R  LG 16-11-1916
PTE 9549 J KIRKHAM LANCS FUSILIERS  LG 1-9-1916
no info of any help in London gazette,     
 any help and info greatly appreciated .TONY
update 9549 j kirkham lancs fusiliers  2nd battalion.  it would seem they all came home
 tony
Title: Re: military medal winners [update] found
Post by: tonyrod on November 06, 2007, 06:27:58 PM
well i have managed to find the right one  ;D, WITH HELP FROM THE LOCAL PAPER in the obituaries, its PRIVATE 9549 JOHN KIRKHAM MM 2ND BN LANCS FUSILIERS, HE DIED IN BLACKPOOL AT THE AGE OF 84, if anyone could help with more info  on him it would be greatly  appreciated.       ;D  great feeling   tonyrod
Title: Re: military medal winners [update]
Post by: Wendi on November 06, 2007, 06:56:51 PM
Well done tony  ;D

Sometimes you can't beat good old fashioned research !!  I wish I had some great stuff to add for you, sadly I just wanted to congratulate you on "feeling great"

Wendi  :)
Title: Re: military medal winners [update]
Post by: tonyrod on November 06, 2007, 07:25:30 PM
cheers Wendi,  yes its a good feeling, but when there regiments can not give you any info you wonder were to turn, i called in my local club for a pint or two as you do,  i was told by the sec the local paper was coming on Friday to do a little story on our roll of honour board and regiment and ships plaques  the members have started to bring them in , so i rung the reporter who put me in touch the the papers researcher i gave her the info i had and she got back to me with in 20 Min's , he died in 1978 aged 84, so i can now put up his own little bit of info at the side of the roll of honour along with our other mm winner,  all in all i have had a great couple of weeks ,and Friday is president's day,  :P very cheep  drink i will be stopping in saturday i think ;D tony
Title: Re: military medal winners [update] found
Post by: tonyrod on November 06, 2007, 07:31:14 PM
hi, i am researching the roll of honour in my local club  in BLACKPOOL and found        J KIRKHAM MM
I AM TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT ONE, FROM 3  I AM LOOKING AT                   are  pte 25232 Joseph kirkham  25th kings Liverpool  LG 14-5-1919
PTE 2415 J KIRKHAM R.LANCS R  LG 16-11-1916
PTE 9549 J KIRKHAM LANCS FUSILIERS  LG 1-9-1916
no info of any help in London gazette,     
 any help and info greatly appreciated .TONY
update 9549 j kirkham lancs fusiliers  2nd battalion.  it would seem they all came home
 tony
Title: Re: military medal winners [update]
Post by: Wendi on November 06, 2007, 08:01:15 PM
all in all i have had a great couple of weeks ,and Friday is president's day,  :P very cheep  drink i will be stopping in saturday i think ;D tony

Shhhhhhh  someone might hear  ;D

Almost worth a bunch of daisies for the papers researcher, can't count how many times I've heard of requests to papers that fell on deaf ears, never mind coming back within 20 mins with the info ~ well done her !!!!

Wendi  :)
Title: Re: military medal winners [update]
Post by: tonyrod on November 13, 2007, 06:08:52 PM
 hi wendi ,the  article posted  1978 he was 83 not 84. had a great day on the friday but sunday was even better.  tony
Title: Re: military medal winners [update]
Post by: harribobs on November 14, 2007, 01:17:32 PM
well done Tony!!
Title: Re: military medal winners [update]
Post by: tonyrod on November 14, 2007, 03:36:37 PM
cheers harribobs,  good feeling on the Sunday  to see john kirkhams  info on display   a lot of people  were asking who he was , well now they know and rightly so.  tony
Title: Re: military medal winners [update]
Post by: slob on November 29, 2007, 09:28:09 PM
here is the entry from the London Gazette

Dave
Title: Re: military medal winners [update]
Post by: tonyrod on November 30, 2007, 08:31:07 AM
cheers dave, i had a copy myself, but i have  no other info on how or were he won his mm/  cheers any way. tony
Title: Re: military medal winners [update]
Post by: slob on November 30, 2007, 07:48:27 PM
It's quite a long list for MM awards, so there were too many to put any more details in the Gazette. It would be nice to know if they were published anywhere.
I have a soldiers record who had an award and there was a description of his action in there, but I couldn't find that anywhere else - perhaps in local papers.
Cheers,
    Dave
Title: Re: military medal winners [update]
Post by: Wendi on November 30, 2007, 08:05:39 PM
Sorry to disappoint you guys but my understanding is the Military Medal was awarded with one citation in the box with the medal. 

If the recipient chose to destroy it that, or it was lost in time.  It is lost.

As an aside to WW1 but worth mentioning here is the reason I know this is because my Pa won the MM in WW2, which I have together with the box and slip of paper with the Kings signature (fax) but not citation, however the Commendation has recently become available on http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/

Needless to say he never mentioned the day, but in the last diary I have of his, he records the date as the name of the battle  :'(

Sorry guys I think it's unlightly
Title: Re: military medal winners [update]
Post by: tonyrod on December 01, 2007, 09:21:56 AM
hi Wendi ,and  Dave, i fully understand the London gazette  just printing the awards recipients ,  its the local papers the stories were in and how they won their awards if the recipients or families  wanted it. so  you never know what could turn up, and i never get disappointed   :-\:-\well only closing time. tony
Title: Re: military medal winners [update]
Post by: slob on December 01, 2007, 12:55:25 PM
Does anyone know if they might have been recorded in the Guardian, being a Manchester paper in those days. The archives are online, for a subscription, but there is a free 24hour inroductory offer.

Dave
Title: Re: military medal winners [update]
Post by: slob on December 01, 2007, 01:38:03 PM
I've had a look in the Guardian and it just repeats the list.
I have attached the article - my apologies if this reply is repeated, but I was struggling to attach the file.

Dave
Title: Re: military medal winners [update]
Post by: mack on December 01, 2007, 03:16:18 PM
tony.
MMs usually appear in the LG about 3 months after the deed.most of them who were fighting on the western front,would have recieved their MM ribbon 7/8 weeks after the deed,he could be in your local paper
mack
Title: Re: military medal winners [update]
Post by: harribobs on December 01, 2007, 03:45:37 PM
Does anyone know if they might have been recorded in the Guardian, being a Manchester paper in those days. The archives are online, for a subscription, but there is a free 24hour inroductory offer.

Dave

sounds like a good project for you Dave  ;D ;D
Title: Re: military medal winners [update]
Post by: tonyrod on December 01, 2007, 04:00:16 PM
 thank you all,  i have tried the local papers with no joy, and with the mm only being awarded in 1916 , in some cases the deed could have taken place in 1915
and the powers that be were playing catch up due to the way the war was going  in june 1916, so i am happy with the info i have and if anything else turns up great, so once again thank you all for your input.  ;D regards tony
Title: Re: military medal winners [update]
Post by: harribobs on December 01, 2007, 09:26:39 PM
just a 'by the way' there is a fair few ( not all) citations for the 24th batt in their book of honour

(available in the foyer)