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The Great War => 1914 - 1918 => Topic started by: frogturn on December 01, 2007, 04:10:58 PM

Title: Albert Bentley, 24th [service] battalion
Post by: frogturn on December 01, 2007, 04:10:58 PM
Hi,my names Paul Richardson,my great uncle was Albert Bentley,who served in the Oldham Comrades,untill he was gassed in about 1916 .When he recovered ,they found out he was a fitter and he was sent into the A.O.C for the rest of the war.
I was lucky enough to have some good talks with Albert about his experiences,and would say my interest in the great war stem from that time.I was also lucky enough to inherit some photo's and badges etc.Unfortunately his medals went out of the family[
sold by his his sister who was terrified of being robbed for these 'valuable' items] and i would dearly like to bring them back into the family.Anyone who has knowledge of their whereabouts - i would be very gratefull.
I have posted some of the pictures here;
http://flickr.com/photos/20143949@N00/
I would also like to idendify a chap in one of the pictures who must of been a friend of my great uncle.
I believe he was also in the 24th,he signed the picture " your old chum dick"
Does anyone have an idea of who he was?
Thanks in advance.paul.
Title: Re: Hello,i'm new,and i'm interested in information on 24th [service]battalion
Post by: mack on December 01, 2007, 04:40:26 PM
hiya paul.
welcome to the forum

the grave is that of sgt robert liddle.
he was originally pte 14245 robert liddle
he was in B.coy,5th platoon
albert was in the same coy,but he was in the 6th platoon
robert was wounded on 7-3-16 and invalided home on 19-3-16
occupation,piecer in a cotton mill
lived,168 claremont st,oldham

albert lived at 67 kelverlow st,oldham
he attended the 50th annual reunion of the battalion

i think the unidentified picture could be, pte 15431 richard green[dick]
he was killed in action 26-2-16
E.coy
20th platoon
age 32
lived.62 heyside,royton
married with 3 children
member of royton harriers

mack
Title: Re: Hello,i'm new,and i'm interested in information on 24th [service]battalion
Post by: mack on December 01, 2007, 04:48:08 PM
tis is our war graves officer,she has a photo of richard+his grave,on her war graves section.
mack
Title: Re: Hello,i'm new,and i'm interested in information on 24th [service]battalion
Post by: tisgrannie on December 01, 2007, 07:22:35 PM
Hi mack beat me to it. Yes we have Richard Green on our War Graves. A really good looking chap. I live a couple of streets up from Kelverlow St!!
Thanks for the photos.
tisgrannie


http://www.flickr.com/photos/manchester-regiment/sets/72157602206019047/


Title: Re: Hello,i'm new,and i'm interested in information on 24th [service]battalion
Post by: harribobs on December 01, 2007, 07:23:54 PM
and tis beat me to it!

a pretty good resemblence i think
Title: Re: Albert Bentley, 24th [service] battalion
Post by: frogturn on December 01, 2007, 08:47:02 PM
Thanks everyone for the information,it all helps to fill in some gaps.
I'm not convinced about 'Dick' being your Dick[sorry that sounded a bit rude!]
Albert was 20 in 1915 and the Dick in the photo i would say was the same sort of age,doesn't tally with 32.
Also he has quite prominant ears ,unlike the other chap.Of course i could be wrong.
I have a few other pics of training etc,would you like me to upload them for your collection?
regards,Paul.
Title: Re: Albert Bentley, 24th [service] battalion
Post by: harribobs on December 01, 2007, 09:21:10 PM
we would love to have the pics in our collection, have you seen the photo and postcard section?
Title: Re: Albert Bentley, 24th [service] battalion
Post by: harribobs on December 01, 2007, 09:22:56 PM
re Albert, is this him?

BENTLEY   A   PTE   14408   company B   platoon 6   
Title: Re: Albert Bentley, 24th [service] battalion
Post by: tisgrannie on December 01, 2007, 09:37:05 PM
Hi I don't think the unidentified man is the Richard Green we have on our site. I'd bet money on it not being the same man. Sorry. I was hoping it was him. Looking at them,  they are very different looking.
We could check all the "Dicks" in the 24th, far too many men probably or possibly run the photo in the Oldham Chron to see if anyone recognizes him?
What do you think. probably an Oldham Chap.
tisgrannie
Title: Re: Albert Bentley, 24th [service] battalion
Post by: frogturn on December 01, 2007, 10:25:02 PM
Yes Harribobs thats my man,intrestingly in Cotton Comrades there is another Bentley,Frank 14951 ,who may well be a relative too.
How would i upload some pics on to your site?
thanks all ,Paul.
Title: Re: Albert Bentley, 24th [service] battalion
Post by: harribobs on December 01, 2007, 10:55:50 PM

we'll set our geneologists on frank  ;D


back to albert

(http://harribobs.smugmug.com/photos/227520439-M.jpg)

and this is the platoon photo, hopefully a lot better than in bill mitchinson's ( fantastic) book

(http://harribobs.smugmug.com/photos/227524108-L.jpg)
Title: Re: Albert Bentley, 24th [service] battalion
Post by: tisgrannie on December 01, 2007, 11:55:30 PM
Silly question. In that list of the platoon how many Richards are there?
tisgrannie
Title: Re: Albert Bentley, 24th [service] battalion
Post by: tisgrannie on December 02, 2007, 12:20:01 AM
Hi well on Frank Bentley I found 2 in Oldham area in 1901 census.

1st one, Thomas Bentley aged 41  stationery engineer. born Derbyshire 
             Sarah       "         "     47                                    "   Oldham
             Frank       "          "     12  piecer in cotton mill    "   Chadderton
3 Iron St Glodwick Oldham

2nd one is Alfred  36 born Macclesfield
            Martha E  40        Chadderton
            Florence   8          Oldham
            Frank       5          Chadderton
            Lily           1             "
187 Garforth St Chadderton
tisgrannie

Title: Re: Albert Bentley, 24th [service] battalion
Post by: harribobs on December 02, 2007, 12:42:34 AM
Silly question. In that list of the platoon how many Richards are there?
tisgrannie

not a silly question, but in the book of honour lists, there are only initials  :(

tis have you got the book cotton town comrades?
Title: Re: Albert Bentley, 24th [service] battalion
Post by: tisgrannie on December 02, 2007, 11:45:20 AM
No harribob I don't but I will asap. I should be ashamed of myself. Me from a "Cotton Town"
tisgrannie
Title: Re: Albert Bentley, 24th [service] battalion
Post by: mack on December 02, 2007, 03:16:12 PM
living a few doors away from albert,were these two men
richard,s newton 45 kelverlow st
richard rigby 40 kelverlow st.

if you check your copies of cotton town comrades.
theres this man,who is living at the same address as albert
pte 14402 albert bardsley 67 kelverlow st[hes not in MIC]

mack
Title: Re: Albert Bentley, 24th [service] battalion
Post by: liverpool annie on December 02, 2007, 03:26:08 PM


For anybody with ties to Blackburn with Darwen .... this is a great site .... check out the Roll of Honour and see if you see any of your family names ! 

http://www.cottontown.org/page.cfm?pageid=257

Annie  :)

Title: Re: Albert Bentley, 24th [service] battalion
Post by: frogturn on December 02, 2007, 04:32:18 PM
Mack ,you've given me alot to think about,Albert Bardsley was not only living at the same address ,but his service number is so close they obviously joined up together,and they were in the same platton and company.Does anyone know anything about him?
I thought he might be related[the wifes family are often boarders on census's]but Albert Bentleys  mothers maiden name was Hollingworth.I can't find anything on Ancestry about Alberts life in oldham as the census only go up to 1901 and they originally came from Newton Moor.[IBy the way, all these place names mean nothing to me,exotic as they are,as dad moved down south with the army in the 1950's and married a Moonraker]
with reference to Frank Bentley ,i found this on the back of a postcard to Albert 'from cousin elija'
Again many thanks,it all helps to 'flesh out 'his story.
best,Paul.
Title: Re: Albert Bentley, 24th [service] battalion
Post by: mack on December 02, 2007, 04:43:09 PM
hiya paul.
i checked albert bardsley out,his number is not listed in the MICs,nor was there a albert bardsley in the 24th batt,it could be an error that cropped up in mitchinsons original research,hes probably YOUR albert,he was reported to have been wounded.
how did your uncle albert get hold of sgt liddles grave photo,was he a pal of alberts

mack
Title: Re: Albert Bentley, 24th [service] battalion
Post by: frogturn on December 02, 2007, 04:51:50 PM
Mac,you could well be right,the fact he's described as a fitter,the same job as Albert Bentley,could also be more than just coincidence.
I believe Albert took a trip to France ,as along with the photo of sgt liddle there was also an early photo of st georges church ,Ypre.I assumed they must of been friends.
I would be interested on any details of alberts injury,he told me he was gassed[mustard i think]was any other comrades injured in the same attack?thanks,paul.
Title: Re: Albert Bentley, 24th [service] battalion
Post by: harribobs on December 05, 2007, 11:01:19 PM
hiya paul.
i checked albert bardsley out,his number is not listed in the MICs,nor was there a albert bardsley in the 24th batt,

err   ;D actually did you check your 24th batt book of honour CD, done by yours truly?

BARDSLEY   A   PTE   14991   D company   platoon 15   page 96
Title: Re: Albert Bentley, 24th [service] battalion
Post by: mack on December 06, 2007, 10:27:50 AM
hiya paul.
i checked albert bardsley out,his number is not listed in the MICs,nor was there a albert bardsley in the 24th batt,

err   ;D actually did you check your 24th batt book of honour CD, done by yours truly?

BARDSLEY   A   PTE   14991   D company   platoon 15   page 96

14991 arthur bardsley ;)