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Title: Unknown Soldier
Post by: davesmum on May 15, 2009, 03:04:44 PM
Hi ,I have this photo of an unknown soldier ,can anyone tell by looking at it, if he was in the Manchesters and from roughly what year it was taken .Thank you

(http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr140/Davey_babes/UnknownSoldier.jpg)


davesmum
Title: Re: Unknown Soldier
Post by: mack on May 15, 2009, 06:07:30 PM
hiya davesmum.
its around 1939/40,i cant make out the badge,but its not the manchester regt

mack ;D
Title: Re: Unknown Soldier
Post by: davesmum on May 15, 2009, 07:56:37 PM
Hi Mack ,thanks for looking ,he's going to be a mystery for the time being .Is there any way to get him identified at all ? I have considered sending a copy of it to an Ashton or Dukinfield newspaper .

davesmum
Title: Re: Unknown Soldier
Post by: tisgrannie on May 17, 2009, 02:13:36 PM
Do have an inkling of who it might be? Something we could go off.
regards
tisgrannie
Title: Re: Unknown Soldier
Post by: davesmum on May 17, 2009, 02:40:04 PM
Hi tisgrannie, at the moment I don't have a clue as to who he could be ,the photo is amongst some very old family photo's .All that I could give is some possible family surnames .


 davemum
Title: Re: Unknown Soldier
Post by: Wendi on May 17, 2009, 03:49:44 PM
Hi Davesmum,

Is it possible for you to post a close-up of the cap badge?

Wendi  :)
Title: Re: Unknown Soldier
Post by: davesmum on May 17, 2009, 05:32:00 PM
Hi Wendy, have tried to do a close up ,what do you think ?

davesmum
Title: Re: Unknown Soldier
Post by: Wendi on May 18, 2009, 06:36:24 PM
 :-\ don't think it's clear enough, sorry

Wendi  :)
Title: Re: Unknown Soldier
Post by: harribobs on May 18, 2009, 08:44:05 PM
you need to scan it again on a very high resolution, then crop the cap  ;)
Title: Re: Unknown Soldier
Post by: davesmum on May 20, 2009, 01:20:30 PM
Sorry for the delay ,I only have a very basic scanner ,is it possible to do high resolution scans on all scanners do you know ?

davesmum
Title: Re: Unknown Soldier
Post by: Wendi on May 21, 2009, 08:52:39 AM
Hi davesmum !!

We are entering dangerous territory here  :D but basically it's all about pixels.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_resolution

Basically the highest quality that your scanner will do is your highest resolution  :-\ if that makes sense.

As harribobs says, scan in the photo again, at the strongest you can then crop just the badge bit on the cap, and see what you get !!

Wendi  :)
Title: Re: Unknown Soldier
Post by: davesmum on May 23, 2009, 12:53:23 PM
Hi Wendy ,have had a look at what the scanner can do ,and it goes from 300dpi to 1200 ,what would anyone recommend ,to get a better picture than the one I sent originally .

thanks Davesmum
Title: Re: Unknown Soldier
Post by: george.theshed197 on May 23, 2009, 06:42:15 PM
My two-pennorth,
Possibly - 1) Royal Engineers: 2) Royal Army Service Corps , - or a rank outsider 3) The Border Regiment.

Question - where is his '37 pattern web belt, if removed with his Field March set-up why is he carrying his respirator in this manner?

Something not quite right.
George.
Title: Re: Unknown Soldier
Post by: Wendi on May 26, 2009, 06:05:19 PM
Hi Wendy ,have had a look at what the scanner can do ,and it goes from 300dpi to 1200 ,what would anyone recommend ,to get a better picture than the one I sent originally.

I'm not an expert, but I guess
you need to scan it again on a very high resolution, then crop the cap  ;)

it's 1200  ;D

Wendi  :)

Title: Re: Unknown Soldier
Post by: davesmum on May 26, 2009, 10:49:51 PM
Thanks Wendy ,I'll get my son to have a go !

davesmum :)
Title: Re: Unknown Soldier
Post by: Wendi on June 06, 2009, 12:59:38 PM
Hi davesmum !

Did you ever manage it?

Wendi  :)
Title: Re: Unknown Soldier
Post by: davesmum on June 06, 2009, 03:14:07 PM
Hi Wendi ,well we scanned the photo at the highest that we could ,but this computer won't now allow us to do anything with it ! It's not a happy computer at all now .I don't know what else to do about it .

davesmum :'(
Title: Re: Unknown Soldier
Post by: mack on June 06, 2009, 03:29:53 PM
Hi Wendi ,well we scanned the photo at the highest that we could ,but this computer won't now allow us to do anything with it ! It's not a happy computer at all now .I don't know what else to do about it .

davesmum :'(
hiya DM.
give it a bloody good kick,and then go for a pint with your hubby,it wont solved the problem,but after a few beers,you wont care less  ;D ;D ;D

regards mack ;)
Title: Re: Unknown Soldier
Post by: davesmum on June 06, 2009, 03:55:31 PM
Hi Mack ,have just done that !! Well the kick anyway .  ;D

DM
Title: Re: Unknown Soldier
Post by: Wendi on June 07, 2009, 09:59:59 AM
With davesmum's permission, after George's
Something not quite right.
I posted the photo on RC and the general concensus is that he is wearing WW2 Battledress, the style of which varied much between 1939 and '45 without the web belt, 'cos he his home on leave, hence the gas mask.

Wendi  :)
Title: Re: Unknown Soldier
Post by: davesmum on June 07, 2009, 02:01:23 PM
Hi Wendi ,thanks for that ,it's a bit more detail for him anyway .I've given the photo to my son in law to see if he can do anything with it (he's more computer literate than me !) ,if he manages to better the photo ,I'll post it again ,if that's ok .Is it worth asking George what he meant by " not quite right " ?

davesmum  :)
Title: Re: Unknown Soldier
Post by: george.theshed197 on June 07, 2009, 05:36:11 PM
HI davesmum,
My comment is based on experience - why he is not wearing a '42 web belt but is wearing his respirator presumably with 'battle bowler' strapped to it in the 'walking out' mode - I just cannot explain it more than that, will have another think about it and come back to you again.
George.
Title: Re: Unknown Soldier
Post by: george.theshed197 on June 07, 2009, 06:19:08 PM
Right we are then,
Without wishing to offend anybody the phrase I was looking for came under the K.R's/ Q.R's classification of 'Being improperly dressed in that etc. not wearing his  42 pattern web belt as per section 40 sub para *** Dress Regulations'. He would never have got passed the guardroom dressed as he is, as I did say in my original comments ' Unless it was attached to his pouches and webbing as for Field-marching Order i.e. 'being in transit - moving from one unit to another etc. and that is the best and only possible reason I can see for this appearance which still begs the question 'why wear his respirator as for walking out order as that would in fact have been worn on his chest to the front of his FMO - so why have it slung for the photograph?
George ( aka Hawkeye) ;D
Title: Re: Unknown Soldier
Post by: Wendi on June 07, 2009, 10:14:21 PM
No idea George !!!

I was looking for answers to your original questions................have you any ?

Wendi  :)
Title: Re: Unknown Soldier
Post by: george.theshed197 on June 08, 2009, 09:44:28 AM
Hi Wendi,
Firstly my apology - I got my web belt mixed up with my BD respectively '37 and '42. That's what comes from trying to answer the phone at the same time that  I am on the PC.
My main query was based on the fact that - this is a Studio Photograph which, in principle was to show you at you best, but in my opinion it fails on that score because of the missing belt. Hence my 'Why'. Let's face it the BD of that issue was not the ideal item to get creases in the trousers because of the location of the map-pocket ( left leg), it  was designed for combat not 'parade ground smartness'- that pocket  jutted almost two inches across the crease  area and because of the three thicknesses of serge with the flap it was impossible to press down and retain the crease. The later types reduced the size of that pocket and moved it further back whch was much better. However that still doesn't resolve my query and the chances are that we will never get an answer.
 By the way there is another possibility for the cap badge - The Cheshire Regiment.
I am not being facetious by the way - it was something which to me 'jarred' and  was very obvious.

Cheers ,
George.
Title: Re: Unknown Soldier
Post by: Wendi on June 08, 2009, 10:49:51 AM
However that still doesn't resolve my query and the chances are that we will never get an answer.

It's nice to try though George  :D and without your input we would not have known any of this !!!  Glad you are around to discuss these things with  ;)

Wendi  :)
Title: Re: Unknown Soldier
Post by: george.theshed197 on June 08, 2009, 01:37:15 PM
Ta for that Wendi,
Come to think of it - I too am glad to be still around to discuss things  ;D ;D ;D

George. ;)
Title: Re: Unknown Soldier
Post by: davesmum on June 08, 2009, 01:50:40 PM
Thanks George and Wendi ,I don't know anything at all about the uniform ,so I don't know what's missing from it anyway .Was it common at the time to have a photo like that taken ,albeit if he wasn't dressed correctly ?

davesmum . :)