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Title: William Lowe no. 5390 Ist Battalion Manch Reg 1897 - 1907
Post by: karlowe1959 on November 10, 2008, 05:35:53 PM
Hi,
I have just found out that my Grandad William Lowe 5390 served with the 1st manchesters for 10 years. 1897 - 1907.  I have downloaded his service history from ancestry.  Can anyone explain to me what WTDILWARA 21.Feb.98 means?
and although I have put the Battalion History book on my xmas list, inbetween times, can anybody tell me why the 1st batt was in Gibraltar 15.Mar.1898?
One final question, he was with the Manchesters for 10 years then transferred to the Bedford Regt, does anyone know why this would have happened?
Thank you
Karen :)
Title: Re: William Lowe no. 5390 Ist Battalion Manch Reg 1897 - 1907
Post by: harribobs on November 10, 2008, 09:35:19 PM
karen

can you post the document, it might mean a bit more if we can see it in context

chris
Title: Re: William Lowe no. 5390 Ist Battalion Manch Reg 1897 - 1907
Post by: Wendi on November 11, 2008, 01:40:57 PM
Hi Karen

.......there was a Troop Ship called the "Dilwara" .......

Like Chris says probably worth letting us see the entry

Wendi  :)
Title: Re: William Lowe no. 5390 Ist Battalion Manch Reg 1897 - 1907
Post by: harribobs on November 11, 2008, 01:49:39 PM
Hi Karen

.......there was a Troop Ship called the "Dilwara" .......

Like Chris says probably worth letting us see the entry

Wendi  :)

i think you've got it there Wendi! ;D
Title: Re: William Lowe no. 5390 Ist Battalion Manch Reg 1897 - 1907
Post by: Wendi on November 11, 2008, 02:15:52 PM
She's on a roll today ~ even got mack calling me "countess"  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: William Lowe no. 5390 Ist Battalion Manch Reg 1897 - 1907
Post by: karlowe1959 on November 11, 2008, 07:17:16 PM
Hi everybody,
Hope I've done this right..
Regards Karen
Title: Re: William Lowe no. 5390 Ist Battalion Manch Reg 1897 - 1907
Post by: Wendi on November 11, 2008, 07:48:42 PM
Karen I think you have the principle right !!!! but you've posted his medical history  :o

Wendi  :)
Title: Re: William Lowe no. 5390 Ist Battalion Manch Reg 1897 - 1907
Post by: harribobs on November 11, 2008, 07:50:39 PM
yep and the Dilwara is there !
Title: Re: William Lowe no. 5390 Ist Battalion Manch Reg 1897 - 1907
Post by: Wendi on November 11, 2008, 09:03:58 PM
Under Station or Troop Ship, now I see it !

But it does say "WT"Dilwara so what does the WT stand for ???
Title: Re: William Lowe no. 5390 Ist Battalion Manch Reg 1897 - 1907
Post by: harribobs on November 11, 2008, 09:19:00 PM
possibly HT,  hospital transport?
Title: Re: William Lowe no. 5390 Ist Battalion Manch Reg 1897 - 1907
Post by: Wendi on November 11, 2008, 11:37:15 PM
Now that's a possible !

Karen, if you join an online library that supports "The Times Online" you can get access to the comings and goings of ships, and perhaps gel up the dates

Wendi  :)
Title: Re: William Lowe no. 5390 Ist Battalion Manch Reg 1897 - 1907
Post by: karlowe1959 on November 13, 2008, 06:18:05 PM
Hi everybody,
Yes.. see what you mean with the medical history, got excited about finding his records and only realised when I had posted it .....  Does it mean that all the stamped entrys are ships? ie Gibraltar is a ship too?  Thank you for the online library tip.
Regards Karen
Title: Re: William Lowe no. 5390 Ist Battalion Manch Reg 1897 - 1907
Post by: Robert Bonner on November 13, 2008, 08:12:38 PM
Karen.
The 1st Battalion sailed to Gibralter on the Nubia on 17th November 1897. Your Grandfather enlisted at the Depot in Ashton-under-Lyne in October 1897 but missed going out with the battalion because of his sickness. After recovery he sailed to Gibralter to join the battalion on 21st February 1898 aboard the war transport Dilwara.

Gibralter was not a ship - just the location of the battalion.

With the approach of war in South Africa the battalion embarked on the Union Liner Goth on 23rd August 1899 and arrived at Durban on 20th September 1899.  Then on into the war, which he survived.
Title: Re: William Lowe no. 5390 Ist Battalion Manch Reg 1897 - 1907
Post by: Wendi on November 13, 2008, 08:26:53 PM
Hi Karen !

It does get a bit complicated doesn't it !!!  But I think Robert has sorted it out for you to some extent ~ it's often good to "google" new information you get to further your research, but

If you have any questions, don't hesitate  :)
Title: Re: William Lowe no. 5390 Ist Battalion Manch Reg 1897 - 1907
Post by: karlowe1959 on November 14, 2008, 06:36:05 PM
Hi everybody,
Thank you so much for your replies.  I've googled "Gibraltar 1897" but can't find any specific references to the manchester reg other than they were there.  Does anybody know why they were there?  I've ordered the regimental history (xmas prezzie from the kids) but just can't wait, I gotta ask the question.
Many thanks
Regareds Karen
Title: Re: William Lowe no. 5390 Ist Battalion Manch Reg 1897 - 1907
Post by: harribobs on November 15, 2008, 09:18:35 PM

the battalion history gives another possibility for the Dilwara Hired Transport

Gibraltar was a military base, it needed to be garrisoned at all times, however the regiment was organising for an expedition in India there was a transfer of men who were close to completion of their service going out and new entrants into the regiment going out
Title: Re: William Lowe no. 5390 Ist Battalion Manch Reg 1897 - 1907
Post by: Wendi on November 15, 2008, 09:51:04 PM
So are we saying the Dilwara may have been specifically hired to transport Manch ?

Wendi  :)
Title: Re: William Lowe no. 5390 Ist Battalion Manch Reg 1897 - 1907
Post by: karlowe1959 on November 19, 2008, 11:27:48 AM
Hi everybody,
Thank you for your reply re Gibraltar, the battalion history is going to be great reading.
Regards Karen :)