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The Great War => 1914 - 1918 => Topic started by: PhilipG on August 23, 2020, 12:04:44 PM

Title: 9347 CSM J. W. Newman : 2nd Bn. Manchester Regiment
Post by: PhilipG on August 23, 2020, 12:04:44 PM

The battalion history has the following entry concerning this Warrant Officer relating to the award to him of the Distinguished Conduct Medal : -

"Gallant and consistent good work, 23 Feb - 27 Sept, 1918, Of enormous value to his CO., 1 Jan. 1919, 3 Sept.1919."     Is anything further known about this soldier ?

PhilipG.

Title: Re: 9347 CSM J. W. Newman : 2nd Bn. Manchester Regiment
Post by: mack on August 23, 2020, 01:12:55 PM

search the men behind the medals lists,he has a fine write up and a photo

mack

Title: Re: 9347 CSM J. W. Newman : 2nd Bn. Manchester Regiment
Post by: PhilipG on August 24, 2020, 11:46:26 AM

Sadly, the attempt at brevity in this case, including wrong dates, I suppose must be accepted, but it is no substitute for the contents of the citation itself.    These I think, paint an entirely different word picture from that implied in the battalion's Decorations & Honours Rolls.     CSM Newman was killed on the 1st October 1918 at Joncourt.    He has no known grave and his name is therefore recorded on Panel 9 of the Vis-en-Artois Memorial.

I take it that the comment "of enormous value to his CO" emanates from Lt.Col. G.M. Robertson ?

PhilipG.

Title: Re: 9347 CSM J. W. Newman : 2nd Bn. Manchester Regiment
Post by: mack on August 24, 2020, 01:27:27 PM

many of the manchester battalions histories contain errors,the date of 3rd sept 1919 was the gazette date for his DCM

mack

Title: Re: 9347 CSM J. W. Newman : 2nd Bn. Manchester Regiment
Post by: PhilipG on August 25, 2020, 11:28:08 AM

Most disquieting.        Philip G.

Title: Re: 9347 CSM J. W. Newman : 2nd Bn. Manchester Regiment
Post by: PhilipG on August 26, 2020, 10:32:42 AM

Would I be correct in assuming that the reference "1 Jan. 1919" has a connection with the date of approval of the award/advice of the DCM ?     PhilipG.

Title: Re: 9347 CSM J. W. Newman : 2nd Bn. Manchester Regiment
Post by: charlie on August 26, 2020, 12:53:38 PM

His DCM was Gazetted on 1st Jan 1919
 https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/31092/supplement/43
but the citation was published in the issue for 3rd Sept 1919
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/31534/supplement/11145

There is nothing unusual in this.

Charlie

Title: Re: 9347 CSM J. W. Newman : 2nd Bn. Manchester Regiment
Post by: PhilipG on August 26, 2020, 04:36:35 PM

Charlie,

Thank you.  Very helpful.   PhilipG.