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The Great War => 1914 - 1918 => Topic started by: Paul Dean on November 11, 2007, 08:13:24 PM

Title: William Clarkson 18th Manchester
Post by: Paul Dean on November 11, 2007, 08:13:24 PM
I am searching for information on my late uncle, He was an active member of the manchester association for a period of time. He died in 1992 age 100.
Title: Re: William Clarkson 18th Manchester
Post by: harribobs on November 11, 2007, 11:21:18 PM
 would he be this w clarkson ?
Title: Re: William Clarkson 18th Manchester
Post by: Paul Dean on November 12, 2007, 10:28:45 PM
would he be this w clarkson ?

It could be him I no he was shot in the upper leg when he crossed a German trench the bullet passed through he was the older brother of family 3 boys and 2 girles. his father ran the Harp and shamrock pub
Title: Re: William Clarkson 18th Manchester
Post by: harribobs on November 12, 2007, 11:10:54 PM
 would you have access to his medals?  they would have his service number around the rim
Title: Re: William Clarkson 18th Manchester
Post by: Paul Dean on November 13, 2007, 08:49:23 PM
I do not have access to his medels, but my mother at the time believes his number was 78423, but i have looked at his medel sheet on line and it does not list any stars awarded, yet i know he did have at least 1 star

Title: Re: William Clarkson 18th Manchester
Post by: harribobs on November 13, 2007, 09:24:45 PM
Description     
Medal card of Clarkson, William
Corps   Regiment No   Rank
Manchester Regiment    78423    Private
Date    1914-1920
Catalogue reference    WO 372/4

well if this was william he probably a late war entrant and wouldn't have won a 14-15 star

Title: Re: William Clarkson 18th Manchester
Post by: Wendi on November 14, 2007, 08:55:46 AM
Hi Paul !

I take my hat off to your Mom, I don't know my Dad's service number !!!

Have you downloaded his medal card?  For £3.50 you can get it here http://tinyurl.com/2a24kj

Can you post it? so we can see what it looks like please? & perhaps further assist.

Wendi  :)
Title: Re: William Clarkson 18th Manchester
Post by: harribobs on November 14, 2007, 09:02:29 AM

hmmm born 1892, so in 1914 he was 22 unless he was in a starred occupation i can't see why he'd be a late entrant

Paul,  how sure are you of that number?

wendi, my mum (who's 90) can reel off my dad's better than her phone number  ;D ;D
Title: Re: William Clarkson 18th Manchester
Post by: mack on November 14, 2007, 11:21:24 AM
paul.
which part of manchester did he live and what area was the harp+shamrock in.
mack
Title: Re: William Clarkson 18th Manchester
Post by: harribobs on November 14, 2007, 03:40:15 PM
paul.
which part of manchester did he live and what area was the harp+shamrock in.
mack

do you think that might have been an irish pub?  ;D  i have a vague memory of a 'harp and shamrock' in Hulme (very vague though)
Title: Re: William Clarkson 18th Manchester
Post by: The Colonel on November 14, 2007, 04:41:11 PM
There is a Harp & Shamrock public house on the 1881 census, address given is 36, New Mount St. (in the ward of St. Michaels)Manchester. But the Clarkson family did not live there then, the Gibbons family were running the pub.

However, William Clarkson appears on the 1901 census.
RG13 Piece 3700 Folio 104 Page 2.
HULME, St Marks.
20,George St.
Joseph Clarkson head 36 rubber worker & beer worker & retailer, born Manchester.
Elizabeth Clarkson wife 36 born Manchester
WILLIAM CLARKSON SON 8 BORN MANCHESTER
Joseph Clarkson son 5 born Manchester
Elizabeth Clarkson daughter 2 born Manchester
Janet Clarkson daughter 2 months born Manchester
Jane Humphries Mother-in-Law Widow 78 born Manchester,

The Colonel.
Title: Re: William Clarkson 18th Manchester
Post by: harribobs on November 14, 2007, 07:21:30 PM
Pot of Beer
36 New Mount Street, Manchester M4.
Tel: 0161-834 8579.
Open Mon-Fri from 12noon - 9.00pm, Saturday from 12noon - 4.00pm, and closed on Sundays. Real ales available including Robinson's Dark Mild, plus several guest beers. This pub was formerly known as the Harp & Shamrock prior to near fatal decline, before loving restoration by beer-lovers.
Title: Re: William Clarkson 18th Manchester
Post by: Paul Dean on November 14, 2007, 11:09:23 PM
Thank you for all the information, Janet Clarkson was my grand mother, at the time her farther was the land lord. He did have a 1914 - 1915 star so it would suggest that the number my mother had is not correct and he could be 10275 looking at his medel record he had 1914/15 medel
Title: Re: William Clarkson 18th Manchester
Post by: harribobs on November 14, 2007, 11:27:58 PM
well, William 10275 did survive the war

do you have any photos of him?  we have photos of B company but they are not named :(
Title: Re: William Clarkson 18th Manchester
Post by: mack on November 15, 2007, 10:16:36 AM
well, William 10275 did survive the war

do you have any photos of him?  we have photos of B company but they are not named :(
this william clarkson was discharged from the army on 23-1-1919.

mack
Title: Re: William Clarkson 18th Manchester
Post by: mack on November 15, 2007, 10:33:52 AM
Pot of Beer
36 New Mount Street, Manchester M4.
Tel: 0161-834 8579.
Open Mon-Fri from 12noon - 9.00pm, Saturday from 12noon - 4.00pm, and closed on Sundays. Real ales available including Robinson's Dark Mild, plus several guest beers. This pub was formerly known as the Harp & Shamrock prior to near fatal decline, before loving restoration by beer-lovers.
this pub was around the shude hill/oldham rd area,thats the next AVL on my list,i will be copying this on friday.
ive been promising roy that i would get him this AVL for months.

chris/wendi/colonel.
good work on tracing the area and address,hopfully i can confirm which william clarkson lived at this address from the AVL, :)
mack
Title: Re: William Clarkson 18th Manchester
Post by: mack on November 15, 2007, 10:48:23 AM
these are the only clarksons that i could find in hulme.
pte T/406813 samuel clarkson
ASC
c/o chadwicks+sons Ltd,hulme hall rd,hulme.

pte 245600 joseph clarkson.
8th res battalion
manchester regt
154 york st.hulme

pte 8653 david clarkson
lancashire fusiliers
9 essex st,hulme

mack
Title: Re: William Clarkson 18th Manchester
Post by: Wendi on November 15, 2007, 10:50:13 AM
chris/wendi/colonel.
good work on tracing the area and address,
More Chris 'n' Colonel than Wendi  ;)  ;D
Title: Re: William Clarkson 18th Manchester
Post by: Paul Dean on November 15, 2007, 10:26:00 PM
I have checked with me sister who has of my mothers papers and the pub was on George St in Hulme, Ther was an old book called pubs of Hulme and the harp and shanrock was in it it was knock down, I do not have a picture of him when young do do have one taken in 1983 at my wedding if this is any help can not insert image if someone has an email address i will send it
Title: Re: William Clarkson 18th Manchester
Post by: mack on November 16, 2007, 06:24:59 AM
paul.
was the pub on the corner of george st and newcastle st,if it was,then theres a picture of the pub on the manchester library online image collection,with the landlord stood outside it,with 3 kids[taken in 1917].
mack
Title: Re: William Clarkson 18th Manchester
Post by: harribobs on November 16, 2007, 09:01:08 AM
(http://images.manchester.gov.uk/web/objects/common/webmedia.php?irn=74691&size=399x296)
Title: Re: William Clarkson 18th Manchester
Post by: Paul Dean on November 16, 2007, 10:21:26 AM
yes that's the pub, i remember that picture, the young boy is Robert the last of the five children,
Title: Re: William Clarkson 18th Manchester
Post by: harribobs on November 16, 2007, 11:41:50 AM
in later years  :)
Title: Re: William Clarkson 18th Manchester
Post by: harribobs on November 16, 2007, 11:45:35 AM
(http://images.manchester.gov.uk/web/objects/common/webmedia.php?irn=30630&size=399x307)
Title: Re: William Clarkson 18th Manchester
Post by: harribobs on November 17, 2007, 10:44:05 PM
some more photos

(http://harribobs.smugmug.com/photos/222419391-M-1.jpg)

(http://harribobs.smugmug.com/photos/222418870-M-1.jpg)

Paul, who has got those medals now?
Title: Re: William Clarkson 18th Manchester
Post by: Paul Dean on November 20, 2007, 10:01:12 PM
i do not know who has them now
Title: Re: William Clarkson 18th Manchester
Post by: harribobs on November 27, 2007, 02:55:42 PM
well at least we are sure he's got that 14-15 star but we still can't prove his service number  >:(
Title: Re: William Clarkson 18th Manchester
Post by: mack on November 27, 2007, 05:01:45 PM
well at least we are sure he's got that 14-15 star but we still can't prove his service number  >:(
ime pretty certain you were right in the first place chris,the other w.clarkson wouldnt have got the star,his numbers too high.
on the other hand,BOTH cards could be bills.

mack
Title: Re: William Clarkson 18th Manchester
Post by: harribobs on November 27, 2007, 08:14:10 PM

my gut feeling says he was an original pal, not just a member of the 18th, and that he's 10275  ;)